Goose Gossage shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame

[GreenDoberman]

Sorry, he's only in because of his Yankee lineage and he was a little bit colorful. What are they going to do when 100 relievers surpass his career numbers.
He was a compromise choice in a year when there were no worthy candidates.
Just watering down Cooperstown, in my opinion.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Gotta go against you my friend...did you know that he saved ball games by pitching two full innings a bunch of times compared to the one inning wonders of today...but I can see your point, just don't agree..

 

[artiesliver]

Green D.--As a lifelong Yankees fan, I've been debating this in my head the past few nights and I have to agree w/you. He's a fan favorite at Yankee Stadium, but that shouldn't mean he deserves to go into the HoF.

 

[flacapper]

Sorry, he's only in because of his Yankee lineage and he was a little bit colorful. What are they going to do when 100 relievers surpass his career numbers.
He was a compromise choice in a year when there were no worthy candidates.
Just watering down Cooperstown, in my opinion.

How old are you?
Im 40 and know the game is much different now these clowns now adays come in for 1 inning ooooh excuse meee goose use to pitch 2 sometimes 3 or 4 to get the save
check his innings pitched per yr vs mo today or k rod he doubled them
And its not cause Yankees or the hall would be jammed pack!!

 

[MrCleo]

disagree, he should've been in already. took long enough

 

[SoCal]

cliff johnson should have broken all his fingers

 

[billhill999]

cliff johnson should have broken all his fingers

Why?
Gossage was right, Johnson could not hit his fastball.

 

[artiesliver]

Gossage averaged approx 68 innings per year (22 years), Mariano has averaged 71 innings per year (14 years). Trevor Hoffman 60 innings per year (16 years). Rollie Fingers 100 innings per year (17 years).

 

[GreenDoberman]

Not saying he wasn't good, just don't feel the "great" that HOF deserves. There is no question he benefitted from the fact that he had zero competition on the ballot.

The game has certainly evolved, but Goose was never a big strikeout guy
(7.47 k/9 in career) and didn't have the WHIP associated with the dominant relievers (1.23 career whip).

His best year was arguably with the Padres (84 when they get smoked by the Tigers in the WS), yet he's remembered more for his Yankee days.

He was an utter failure as a starter as well, 9-17 WL, 3.94 era (pre-steroids) with the ChiSox in 1975.

Just trying to present a factual argument. In my opinion he was a very good, but not great player. That does not make a HOF career.

 

[GreenDoberman]

This started when I read an article from a KC guy arguing Quisenberry got no love compared to Gossage. Looking at Quiz's stats he's not deserving either. He certainly doesn't fit in the glamour categories like strikeouts, but if you remember his game he wasn't about that.

I get personal with the HOF as I'm a big Fred McGriff supporter and seeing jokes like McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro possibly getting in before him and getting snubbed irks me.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Oh and add Bagwell and Thome to that clown list.

 

[JakeT.]

Agree with just about everyone. Good player, maybe very good, but not HOF caliber.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Not saying he wasn't good, just don't feel the "great" that HOF deserves. There is no question he benefitted from the fact that he had zero competition on the ballot.

The game has certainly evolved, but Goose was never a big strikeout guy
(7.47 k/9 in career) and didn't have the WHIP associated with the dominant relievers (1.23 career whip).

His best year was arguably with the Padres (84 when they get smoked by the Tigers in the WS), yet he's remembered more for his Yankee days.

He was an utter failure as a starter as well, 9-17 WL, 3.94 era (pre-steroids) with the ChiSox in 1975.

Just trying to present a factual argument. In my opinion he was a very good, but not great player. That does not make a HOF career.

Dennis Eckersley was that great of a starter either.... Like to see Jim Rice or McGiff get their due...

 

[GreenDoberman]

Eckersley won 20 and 17 back to back years as a starter. He was at worst a .500 starter after that on some average teams.

That was the weakest of my arguments but still holds water.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Eckersley arguably had the greatest two-year stretch as a relief pitcher when he was downright unhittable (89-90).

 

[artiesliver]

Eckersley also won 197 as a starter and saved 390 as a reliever.

 

[billhill999]

Oh and add Bagwell and Thome to that clown list.

Wrong on Bagwell Dobe.
His *average* year was .297 - 34 -115.
He averaged 114 runs scored
Bags had an incredible .407 *lifetime* OBA.
These are Stargell, Mantle and McCovey numbers.
Bags was a gold glove first baseman.
He was Rookie of the Year.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Billhill,
He did steroids. I saw him at the University of Hartford. That is my point.

 

[SoCal]

Why?
Gossage was right, Johnson could not hit his fastball.

I'm biased. Cliff Johnson is my favorite baseball player of all time. Has been for the last 32 years and I'm only 41. My post was somewhat impulsive cause I'm still not real happy Heathcliff got traded after that fight with Gossage.

 

[flacapper]

Gossage averaged approx 68 innings per year (22 years), Mariano has averaged 71 innings per year (14 years). Trevor Hoffman 60 innings per year (16 years). Rollie Fingers 100 innings per year (17 years).

most inn pitched for mo in 1 yr 1996 107 2001 80
Goose=1974 =89 1975 141 76=224 77=133 78=134 84=102
Mo has 2 yrs more than 80 inn goose 11
And you are checking the best of all time in Mo
Look at gooses #s and you will see he deserved it if any reliever does thats for sure