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Figured i may be able to help out some when making their pick for this game as it's my 2 favorite teams facing off (gonzaga being my #1 of course).. I live 10 minutes from gonzaga and about 1.5 hours from Washington state (no i don't actually live in the bahamas.. spokane :) )

A lot of people are looking at this match up and seeing it's in Pullman and pointing to washington states great defense (they do play good d) as a reason to choose them. Also citing last years matchup where they held the zags to just 47 points at home.

I think the zags will win this game by 10+ and i'll tell you why..( oh and i wouldn't bet them -10.. opened at -4.5.. thats an easy decision for me)

In years past gonzaga has been accused of not playing good defense.. you can't really accuse them of that this year.


Gonzaga averages 8.3 steals, 6.7 blocks, 42.8 rebounds per game.
WSU averages 6.8 steals, 4.9 blocks, 39.8 rebounds per game.

Obviously WSU is gonna run like 25 seconds off every shot clock but those are compareable. You can check out Efficiency ratings here as well where gonzaga does not fall far behind WSU

http://kenpom.com/factors.php?y=2009&t=d


These are two vastly different teams from last years match up.. Gonzaga has had a huge improvement while WSU has more of a learning process right now with 8 freshmen on the team.

Josh Heytvelt did not play in the game last year leaving a small way less skilled gonzaga team on the floor (kuso, pendergraph). Well josh is back this year and the leading scorer on a team with 6 players averaging double figures.

Starting lineup for the zags
G- Jeremy Pargo 6'2 - 10.2 PPG 7.2 APG
G- Matt Bouldin 6'5 - 11.7 PPG 2.8 APG
G- Micah Downs 6'8 - 11.5 PPG 6.2 RPG
F- Austin Daye 6'10 - 11.8 PPG 6.3 RPG
F- Josh Heytvelt 6'11 - 15.3 PPG 6.5 RPG 62.5% FG%

This along with sharpshooter Steven gray coming off the bench along with 7 footer Rob Sacre. Scrappy, great defenders Ira brown and Demetri Goodson. this is a DEEP BALANCED team that i believe to be the 2nd best in the nation at this point in time.

Washington state with there Lineup last year of
Cowgill
Lowe
Weaver
Baynes
Rochestie

Beat the zags by 4 but losing an NBA player in weaver and 2 great 4 year players in Lowe and cowgill didn't make the cougars any better.

Klay Thompson is an awesome Freshmen and leading scorer for the team, he will be a big time player for the cougs in the future and is easily the biggest offensive threat for them this year. Harmeling is a good, but streaky shooter. Rochestie running the point is inconsistent at best. Looking down the list the zags have the advantage at every position in this game, as well as the bench as only 1 player will come off the bench to play any significant playing time for the cougars and that is Freshmen Deangelo Casto (3.3 ppg)

Another note: against Baylor the cougars got 3 points off their bench

My pick is the Zags at (-4.5) but i believe they should win by about 10. Although it could be more. Yes they will score less points then they are used too as WSU is a well coached team thats gonna slow it down because thats what they do.But in the end the zags have to much firepower and are the deepest team these cougars will see all year.

Also believe Gonzaga will score into the low 70's on this team

GL ALL :pope:
 

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Posted my thoughts in Homedawg's thread, but I overall agree with your thoughts. Good to hear a fellow NW guy on here.

The way WSU plays, it's VERY hard to blow us out. Were going to need double digit scoring games from Thompson, Rochestie, Baynes, and either Koprivika or Harmeling. As you pointed out, Harmeling is a hot or cold kind of guy, and if he comes out hitting his first couple 3's, it could be 2006 all over again when he put up 20+ as a sophomore. For us to win we are probably also going to need GU to shoot under 45% which is hard to imagine considering all the scoring threats they have this year.

I'm giving myself hope in this years game considering we have won the last two, but if Gonzaga is going for sure going to get a dominant win over a Tony Bennett coached team, this would certainly be the year with everything they returned. I'll lining up to get in at about 3 tomorrow, although people are starting to lineup now I hear. It's going to be a great atmosphere between two rivals. Should be fun.
 

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Yeah i don't see baynes being much of a factor offensively, i see him getting blocked a few times tomorrow by Josh and Austin. Harmeling could very well come out hot and that would worry me.. Koprivica really has no chance of getting double figures lol don't see him as to much of a threat. Never been to much of a rochestie fan and thompson will get his 10 or so i'm sure.

I root for the cougs in every game except this one and all football season (as hard as that is). I even graduated with and know Casto personally, wanna see him do well!
 

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Figured i may be able to help out some when making their pick for this game as it's my 2 favorite teams facing off (gonzaga being my #1 of course).. I live 10 minutes from gonzaga and about 1.5 hours from Washington state (no i don't actually live in the bahamas.. spokane :) )

A lot of people are looking at this match up and seeing it's in Pullman and pointing to washington states great defense (they do play good d) as a reason to choose them. Also citing last years matchup where they held the zags to just 47 points at home.

I think the zags will win this game by 10+ and i'll tell you why..( oh and i wouldn't bet them -10.. opened at -4.5.. thats an easy decision for me)

In years past gonzaga has been accused of not playing good defense.. you can't really accuse them of that this year.


Gonzaga averages 8.3 steals, 6.7 blocks, 42.8 rebounds per game.
WSU averages 6.8 steals, 4.9 blocks, 39.8 rebounds per game.

Obviously WSU is gonna run like 25 seconds off every shot clock but those are compareable. You can check out Efficiency ratings here as well where gonzaga does not fall far behind WSU

http://kenpom.com/factors.php?y=2009&t=d


These are two vastly different teams from last years match up.. Gonzaga has had a huge improvement while WSU has more of a learning process right now with 8 freshmen on the team.

Josh Heytvelt did not play in the game last year leaving a small way less skilled gonzaga team on the floor (kuso, pendergraph). Well josh is back this year and the leading scorer on a team with 6 players averaging double figures.

Starting lineup for the zags
G- Jeremy Pargo 6'2 - 10.2 PPG 7.2 APG
G- Matt Bouldin 6'5 - 11.7 PPG 2.8 APG
G- Micah Downs 6'8 - 11.5 PPG 6.2 RPG
F- Austin Daye 6'10 - 11.8 PPG 6.3 RPG
F- Josh Heytvelt 6'11 - 15.3 PPG 6.5 RPG 62.5% FG%

This along with sharpshooter Steven gray coming off the bench along with 7 footer Rob Sacre. Scrappy, great defenders Ira brown and Demetri Goodson. this is a DEEP BALANCED team that i believe to be the 2nd best in the nation at this point in time.

Washington state with there Lineup last year of
Cowgill
Lowe
Weaver
Baynes
Rochestie

Beat the zags by 4 but losing an NBA player in weaver and 2 great 4 year players in Lowe and cowgill didn't make the cougars any better.

Klay Thompson is an awesome Freshmen and leading scorer for the team, he will be a big time player for the cougs in the future and is easily the biggest offensive threat for them this year. Harmeling is a good, but streaky shooter. Rochestie running the point is inconsistent at best. Looking down the list the zags have the advantage at every position in this game, as well as the bench as only 1 player will come off the bench to play any significant playing time for the cougars and that is Freshmen Deangelo Casto (3.3 ppg)

Another note: against Baylor the cougars got 3 points off their bench

My pick is the Zags at (-4.5) but i believe they should win by about 10. Although it could be more. Yes they will score less points then they are used too as WSU is a well coached team thats gonna slow it down because thats what they do.But in the end the zags have to much firepower and are the deepest team these cougars will see all year.

Also believe Gonzaga will score into the low 70's on this team

GL ALL :pope:

Dont know if I will bet this game or not, but I appreciate you
sharing your insight & your thoughts on how you think it will
play out. Sounds like you know both these teams pretty well.
Very nice write up-----Good Luck
 

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like the writeup slim. i only play one pick a day about and that one play for tomorrow is the BULLDOGS. GL, should be a good game. if i had to lean on the o/u would take over b/c line will already be on the lower side and just think WSU will need to put up points to stick with Zags.

Addict, i respect all your opinions as i know that you know your stuff about WSU and the west coast. Didn't like the fact that you favor WSU in this one but just think the talent level is skewed in this one. have fun at the game, will definetely be one of the most exciting home games this year.
 

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the fire-power to come back...however they do still have the D to keep it close. The key to this game will be down low. Can WSU stop Heytvelt and Sacre or put them in foul trouble while limiting good perimeter shots from Downs and Daye. I actually see this game as a back door cover by WSU....GU by 3-4 58-54 something like that.

Also live in Spokane and follow these 2 teams regularly although I'm a Husky(sad teams this yr!!)<o:p></o:p>
 

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The total has went under in Wash st last 5 games. Im on the over at 118.
 

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as much as i agree w/ homedawg.....these schools are about a hour drive away ......and the Cougars have lost 34 straight games to top five opponents.......may lay it myself for a night cap ....
thanks for the insight .
 

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why is the over/under so low at 118?? I know washington state likes to slow it down but gonzaga can score and likes to run. Thought the overunder would be closer to 130... Ur thoughts. I see final score being 72-60 gonzaga
 

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why is the over/under so low at 118?? I know washington state likes to slow it down but gonzaga can score and likes to run. Thought the overunder would be closer to 130... Ur thoughts. I see final score being 72-60 gonzaga

The over is probably a pretty good bet i mean i think the zags can likely break into the 70's but who knows how many points a cougar offense can put up against this tall gonzaga team... they could be in the 40's to be honest.. i'd just stay away from betting over/under in this game
 

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nice writeup slim -- agree this Zag team is scary good, top-notch coaching has finally been combined with a deadly all-around lineup...what has killed the Zags in the past is either a reliance on one player (i.e Adam Morrison, Ronny Turiaf) or, even moreso, shoddy point guard play when it matters most -- look at the good Zag teams that were derailed in the past, and you will see a Dickau, Stepp, Santangelo, or Raivio that weren't consistent in March when it counts (that Stockton kid turned out okay lol)...i like their chances a lot more with a court general like Pargo who can kill you a number of ways and doesn't seem to force things when his shot is off - then again he doesn't have to with at least 5 others who can go for 20 on any given night...should be a lively game with an incredible atmosphere, can't wait to watch it
 

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Yeah i'm predicting big nights for Heytvelt and Daye tonight! Hoping they get baynes in foul trouble
 

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Excellent job---SLIM
 

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klay thompson anm awesome frosh? cant score worth cowshit. he sucks cougars will suck.
 

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he is an awesome frosh.. and the best scorer on that team although that didn't seem to be saying much this game. Everyone has an off game, Klay thompson had one today. He couldn't get his shot like normal against lengthy zags D
 

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its more about the cougs sucking, serious players and linesmaker knows zags are good. Lets not talk about how good Pargo is, lets talk about what horseshit Mychael Thompsons kid is.
 

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