Ghees ... 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq?

docmercer--banned · Oct 28, 2004

Medical Journal Estimates 100,000 Civilian Deaths in Iraq War
By VOA News

28 October 2004

Baghdad woman weeping

A new report in the British-based medical journal The Lancet estimates that more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the March, 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The survey found the major cause of death was from airstrikes, and many of the victims were women and children. A very small proportion of deaths in the study were related to terrorism.

The researchers did not include deaths in the volatile city of Fallujah in their final analysis, saying that would have skewed the death toll much higher.

eek. · Oct 28, 2004

Thats pretty scary.

The Lancet has zero political affiliation with anyone, its the medical equivalent of Bell-Ringers-monthly.

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Iraqi people are now 58 times more likely to die a violent death

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Poor planning, air strikes by coalition forces and a "climate of violence" have led to more than 100,000 extra deaths in Iraq, scientists say.

A study published by the Lancet claims the risk of death by violence for civilians in Iraq is now 58 times higher than before the US-led invasion.

It condemns the coalition's planning on public health as "grievously in error".

The Lancet admits the research is based on a small sample - under 1,000 homes - but says the findings are "convincing".

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Air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths

Dr Les Roberts

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Scientists from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in the US city of Baltimore gathered data on births and deaths since January 2002 from 33 clusters of 30 households each across Iraq.

They found the relative risk of death was one-and-a-half times higher for Iraqi civilians after the 2003 invasion than in the preceding 15 months.

That figure jumps to two-and-a-half times higher if data from Falluja - the scene of repeated heavy fighting - is included.

Before the invasion, most people died as a result of heart attack, stroke and chronic illness, the report says, whereas after the invasion, "violence was the primary cause of death."

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Women and children are reportedly the biggest casualties of air strikes

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Violent deaths were mainly attributed to coalition forces - and most individuals reportedly killed were women and children.

Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths."

He said his team's work proved it was possible to compile data on public health "even during periods of extreme violence".

The sample included randomly selected households in Baghdad, Basra, Arbil, Najaf and Karbala, as well as Falluja.

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Democratic imperialism has led to more deaths not fewer

Lancet editor Richard Horton

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Lancet editor Richard Horton said: "With the admitted benefit of hindsight and from a purely public health perspective, it is clear that whatever planning did take place was grievously in error."

He went on: "Democratic imperialism has led to more deaths not fewer. This political and military failure continues to cause scores of casualties among non-combatants." He urges the coalition forces to rethink their strategy to "prevent further unnecessary human casualties". "For the sake of a country in crisis and for a people under daily threat of violence, the evidence we publish today must change heads as well as pierce hearts," he said.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3962969.stm

docmercer--banned · Oct 28, 2004

Eek:

George Carlin had a line one nite which is pretty accurate:

"ok, now here is the deal .. the USA cant make a tv worth a crap ... cant make a microwave worth a crap ... BUTTTT, if you have brown colored folks living in your country, WATCH OUT and we are gonna bomb the living crap out of your country .."

This is really sadd .. we are bombing the wrong country and the Bushies are rallying to defend this action?

Amazing events ....

GAMEFACE · Oct 28, 2004

Propaganda!

LineBreaker+ · Oct 28, 2004

Gameface, you are unbelievalbe.

So are you saying that the Lancet is a bunch of crap and making up stuff.

You can continue to believe that your boy Bush is the best president ever and live your little make believe life.

Cujo · Oct 28, 2004

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Far cry from the 100,000+ AND they have a handy little database to catalog their #'s. Who's right? I don't know but IBC is a little more forthcoming in the # explanation.

This is a human security project to establish an independent and comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in Iraq resulting directly from military action by the USA and its allies. This database includes up to 7,350 deaths which resulted from coalition military action during the "major-combat" phase prior to May 1st 2003. In the current occupation phase the database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation. Results and totals are continually updated and made immediately available on this page and on various IBC counters which may be freely displayed on any website, where they will be automatically updated without further intervention. Casualty figures are derived solely from a comprehensive survey of online media reports. Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least three members of the Iraq Body Count project team before publication.

GAMEFACE · Oct 28, 2004

it's propaganda.

IMRIGHTURWRONG · Oct 28, 2004

I think you may be right Gameface...

Da W Posse killed as many Iraqi's as possible as part of a propaganda effort. Have you ever thought about the possibility of visiting Iraq? If everything you hear is from the liberal, biased media, it must be completely safe there. I think I can find enough people on this site to put together a small sum of money to send you there... actually, I will start a thread about this.

hansenbros. · Oct 29, 2004

why aren't we talking about the 300,000 (all women and children) INTENTIONALLY killed by hussein found in a MASS grave a week and a half ago???

more liberal F**ks that are absolutely clueless to the difference of genocide and unintended casualities (if it's true).

IMRIGHTURWRONG · Oct 29, 2004

Hansen,

Good thing we went there to end the genocide in the late 80's. Maybe we will show up in Africa in 2018.

hansenbros. · Oct 29, 2004

you people are sooo mis-guided and ill-informed it's scarry -- and then you have doc quoting george carlin..... my God!!! i truly feel sorry for you people win or lose next tues!

docmercer--banned · Oct 29, 2004

Hansen:

That argument dont fly .. why is Bush in Rwandan if he is so concerned about the killing of innocent civilians???

Lets see .... Junior sold us the idea that 1) Iraq was an imminent threat .... THAT DIDNT FLY 2) Iraq had weapons of Mass destruction .... THAT DIDNT FLY 3) We would "liberate" the Iraqis and we would be greeted with flowers .... THAT DIDNT FLY

Sorry, this was nothing but a 2nd go around for President Dick Cheney .. Cheney in a 92 Interview said the reason they did not want to go to Baghdad in 91 was "it was not worth risking American lives to take out Hussein ..." Really?? and now we have over 1100 American kids dead today??

Cheney is the real problem ... Cheney thinks we can drop tanks wherever needed to Democratize the world and believes in Pre-emptive action - including nukes if needed ... Bush is nothing but a puppet for Cheney and Cheney is the worlds most dangerous threat to peace right now as Democracy will not fly in the Muslim world and we are learning a long and very expensive lesson from the Neocons

Pocket1's · Oct 29, 2004

hansen bros. said:
you people are sooo mis-guided and ill-informed it's scarry -- and then you have doc quoting george carlin..... my God!!! i truly feel sorry for you people win or lose next tues!

Im feeling sorry for you after reading your responses nice defeatist attitude bud

BigGame · Oct 29, 2004

I'm in for $100 for the fund to send Gameface to Pleasantville, Iraq.

hansenbros. · Oct 29, 2004

doc

boy, you really need some help my friend!!! bush wasn't the only one who agreed to this war w/ the info provided -- the entire congress did!!! in fact kerry said, and i quote "he was sure there are wmd's in iraq, and that he would've supported the war w/out them..." what do you say to that????

as for the first iraq war we went under the un, and it was to save kuwait from that man you like so much hussein!!! see he was trying to take over another country!!! but he did need to stay in power -- your right:kicking: and in that war we were not allowed to go after hussein once kuwait was liberated, even though we wanted to -- but it wasn't a part of the un mission!!!!! it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do w/ cheney.

you are better off just sitting back and listening, rather than posting -- you are embarrassing yourself!

hansenbros. · Oct 29, 2004

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there is NO defeat in my rhetoric!! 4 more!!!!:biggrinin

hansenbros. · Oct 29, 2004

if you guys are buying -- i'm flying!!! i'll go with gameface -- i'll have your backside!

IMRIGHTURWRONG · Oct 29, 2004

you people are sooo mis-guided and ill-informed it's scarry -- and then you have doc quoting george carlin..... my God!!! i truly feel sorry for you people win or lose next tues!

Hansen,

Please, oh please, won't you tell us where you get your information. I truly want to read what you do so I too will know all and be able to dispel everyone else's opinions and hold my own as fact... do tell.