Getting stiffed at PanAm

[areeff]

Sounds like the typical RX do nothing the poster must be wrong. Yet many of us haven't been paid.

McIrish you are just talking out your ass. I've had a problem at Black Rhino (Shrink) and Betcbs (Krackman & Others).

That's all i can think of. 2 problems out of thousands of wagers. That's about the norm. If not less.

 

[THE SHRINK]

Regarding Bet Pan Am,

I just had a long conversation with someone at the "TOP" of management. The good news is that I found all of his replies to be honest and forthcoming.

The not so good news is that it may take a few more days for everyone to get paid.

However, whenever a sports book makes changes, things happen differently than before.

Once this sports book gets through this ordeal, I truly believe that they will be stronger than ever...

I also believe that EVERYONE will be paid, and it shouldn't take all that long, either.

As I learn more, I will gladly share it...

THE SHRINK

 

[TheGeneral+]

kongen & Jyde are from Denmark. Areef, I can't remember if you are or not. Are you Sir?

Thanks

 

[go2guy]

Frankie, you work for a book (PanAm)? Or did I miss something in the post about Kongen scamming amongst all the freaking hockey talk in the post? Thanks for the update Shrink. I think the key matter here is that people are not getting paid per their request and hopefully this can be resolved ASAP as Shrink reports.

 

[lurkerforages]

General, with all due respect.

So what.

Its almost like asking if they are black?

The serious issues here are the slow pays.

 

[go2guy]

By the way I just noticed, even if this guy is a bonus scammer or whatever, why do these books wait until payoff time to "discover" discrepancies? I really think some books like taking shots at players knowing they may not be on the up and up then giving them the runaround when payout time comes.

 

[bucsfan67]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
General, with all due respect.

So what.

Its almost like asking if they are black?

The serious issues here are the slow pays.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lurker, he asked that because there is more going on to this particular "slow-pay" than the management changeover at panam......do some searches of areef, kongen, and you will probably find some interesting things.....General was just asking, due to the fact that of all people, Areef is here defending Kongen.......

I keep waiting for Bskiller, and UK2000, to jump in and yell "slow-pay"....

 

[lurkerforages]

Is Ivan from Denmark?

 

[bucsfan67]

not that i am aware of, i believe Ivan is from Canada,from what he has said...

 

[lurkerforages]

After reading this whole thread do you think he has been slow paid?

 

[bucsfan67]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by go2guy:
By the way I just noticed, even if this guy is a bonus scammer or whatever, why do these books wait until payoff time to "discover" discrepancies? I really think some books like taking shots at players knowing they may not be on the up and up then giving them the runaround when payout time comes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


that is a good point go2, and you very well may be right......however, i guess when a player tries that, they are opening themselves up to risk.......I think that is why i have seen it pointed out in other threads, if you are going to be sharing accounts, referring, etc, make sure you email the book, and let them know, and get the go ahead.....Then save that email.....

So if you are legite, you dont give them that opportunity.....However, u have to believe if a book will withhold a wd as small as 2k, and make an accusation, they gotta be pretty sure, cuz they are losing a customer over it...They gotta be sure this is a customer they dont want (scammer, bonus whore,etc)

 

[bucsfan67]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
After reading this whole thread do you think he has been slow paid?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lurker, i think u misunderstood my post, there is no doubt that Panam is delaying some payouts right now, and asking for wd's via other means, they have admitted as much in their thread......And according to them, and others it should all be straightened out by weeks end.....there is no dispute there....The dispute i referred to, was whether Kongen is due any wd at all.......His is not necessarily related to the management changeover as much as some "problems" with his account, would be mu guess.....We will know more soon.....

Sorry for the confusion...

 

[lurkerforages]

Bucsfan, after a number of people made some remarks and unproven allegations against players from Denmark why do you think it is strange that fellow Danish players would not come in a defend that person.

I know if I were from Denmark I would be pretty pissed by some of the comments in this thread.

 

[go2guy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by areeff:
Interesting. Panam's been so low on neteller funds they've been occasionally asking people not to cashout and offering them bonuses if they didn't<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the post however that bothers me the most. This was before the change of management info was released. Why did it take a player to mention this?

 

[bucsfan67]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by go2guy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by areeff:
Interesting. Panam's been so low on neteller funds they've been occasionally asking people not to cashout and offering them bonuses if they didn't<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the post however that bothers me the most. This was before the change of management info was released. Why did it take a player to mention this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i would be curious too, if we find that this happened to any other players...As for now, i will consider the source, and not let that statement worry me.....

 

[go2guy]

Even if Areff was pissing in the wind, he hit something because low and behold Neteller payments aren't being processed on time now. Kinda of adds up you think?

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
General, with all due respect.

So what.

Its almost like asking if they are black?

The serious issues here are the slow pays.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good reason for my question. I am dealing with a pay dispute and I am trying to gather all the facts I can from both parties. My question was not meant to harm anyone.

 

[kongen]

People, I know how this looks. If I was reading something like this I would be skeptical too, even if it was Shrink who posted it.

I am no long lost brother of BSKILLER and his twin UK something, there's no truth to the accusations from PanAm.

I won't be commenting on this issue anymore while the mediators are looking into the matter, don't even think I'm at liberty to.

 

[spidermonkey]

requested a small (under a dime) withdrawl via neteller yesterday and still waiting here as well.

 

[Ladeda]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So if you are legite, you dont give them that opportunity.....However, u have to believe if a book will withhold a wd as small as 2k, and make an accusation, they gotta be pretty sure, cuz they are losing a customer over it...They gotta be sure this is a customer they dont want (scammer, bonus whore,etc)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2k is a small amount. There is another obvious reason for not paying other then Kongem not being a good customer, they are NOT DOING WELL.
I don't think it is much of a coincidence that often when books are strapped they start looking for reasons to stiff players, like multi accounts and bonus whores. etc.
Look at some of the rock solid books that offer many bonuses, for instance Greeks 10% often this season, WWTS with their 25% bonuses, BoDog, etc. Why do you think it is that they aren't complaining about this stuff and stiffing people?

I got the impression when I played at PanAm that they were very small time and not well funded, they just seemed to worried about my reasons for everything. For instance when I called to withdrawal they questined why, which is rather annoying. Then a few weeks later they sent me an email offering a special personalized bonus to come back. I didn't liek the looks of this so I didn't re-deposit even though I did well there.

It looks like this guy fell for the bait. He played there, cashed out. Then they lured him back with a personalized bonus only to be able to steal some of the money back that he was up on them.

Even if he was working with others which I doubt shouldn't PanAm pay for it's mistakes. Afterall it looks like they accused him of this a while ago and had the security manager clear him of the charge, then they offered a specail bonus for him to come back. If he was indeed scamming , they welcomed his actions sicne they invited him back after suspecting this.

NEWSFLASH ALL.. THIS IS WHAT BOOKS DO WHEN TIMES ARE TOUGH. WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY DO? MANAGEMENT CHANGES!