Gay Marriage is going to Get Overturned in California

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Many "no voters" could change votes based on possible effects of 8's
failure

NEW HAVEN, Conn., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new poll of
California voters shows Proposition 8, a proposed constitutional amendment
that would reserve marriage for opposite-sex couples, has a 9 percentage
point lead among likely voters, 52% to 43%. The poll was conducted for the
Knights of Columbus by the Marist College Institute of Public Opinion
between September 28 and October 5, 2008.

The survey shows that Proposition 8 has majority support among men
(53%), women (51%), whites (51%), Latinos (57%), those who are married
(59%) and those age 45 and older (59%). Those opposed include likely voters
under age 45 (54% opposed) and those who are not married (54% opposed).

The poll also shows that Proposition 8 leads in every region of
California except the Bay Area, where 58% are opposed.

52% of likely California voters believe the state Supreme Court was
wrong to have overturned the 2000 referendum in which voters approved
reserving marriage for opposite-sex couples, and 72% believe the decision
should be left to the voters.

Poll respondents were presented with several arguments and asked
whether each one would make them more or less likely to vote for
Proposition 8. A majority (58%) were more likely to favor Proposition 8
when reminded that if it passes, same-sex couples will still be able to
form civil unions in California. More than half of those describing
themselves as opponents of Proposition 8 said they were more likely to
shift from opposing to favoring the referendum because of this argument.

Approximately one third of those voting "no" on 8 - and a significant
number of undecided voters - would be more likely to vote yes if the
proposition's failure could compromise the tax status of religious schools
or if children in public schools would be taught that marriage was a
relationship "between any two adults."

Nearly half (49%) of likely voters believe that same-sex marriage
should not be law if legalizing it would place clergy at risk for lawsuits
or threatens the tax-exempt status of religious institutions. And 79% of
all likely voters believe that if Proposition 8 fails, clergy should not be
required to perform same-sex marriages if it violates their religious
convictions.

Full details of the poll results are available upon request and will be
posted at http://www.kofc.org at noon EDT today.


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Since you are relying on polling data, i assume you believe that Obama has this presidency wrapped up?
 

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Who cares if the homos get married? Really how does it affect YOUR life?
 

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Who cares if the homos get married? Really how does it affect YOUR life?

Excatly I'm not a big fan of the gays but who gives a shit if they get married or not it affects me and anyone else in no way at all.
 

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Why do conservatives think
Gays can't get married?
That prostitution should be illegal?
That pot should be illegal?
That they are for smaller govt.?
 
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Excatly I'm not a big fan of the gays but who gives a shit if they get married or not it affects me and anyone else in no way at all.

Oh really?

How would you like to be a child adopted into a "family" with two gay dads?

I call it child abuse.

Up until the 1970's homosexuality had been classified as a
mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association. It was only declassified, because the militant gays
forcefully disrupted meetings and conferences, and threatened and attacked people.

Four years later, Dr. Charles Socarides — who was at the meetings and was an expert in the area of homosexuality, having treated homosexuals for more than twenty years — described the political atmosphere leading up to the 1973 vote. He writes that during this time, "militant homosexual groups continued to attack any psychiatrist or psychoanalyst who dared to present his findings as to the psychopathology [i.e., the study of mental disorders from all aspects] of homosexuality before national or local meetings of psychiatrists or in public forums."<sup>17</sup> Elsewhere Socarides stated that the decision of the APA trustees was "the medical hoax of the century."<sup>18</sup>

Was this the end of the debate? Did the vast majority of "competent" psychiatrists agree with the APA's decision? In 1977 ten thousand members of the APA were polled at random, asking them their opinion on this. In an article entitled "Sick Again?" Time magazine summarized the results of the poll: "Of those answering, 69% said they believed 'homosexuality is usually a pathological adaptation, as opposed to a normal variation,' 18% disagreed and 13% were uncertain. Similarly, sizable majorities said that homosexuals are generally less happy than heterosexuals (73%) and less capable of mature, loving relationships (60%). A total of 70% said that homosexuals' problems have more to do with their own inner conflicts than with stigmatization by society at large."<sup>19</sup>

On top of the mental health issues, there are the physical health issues:

Dr. Klamecki then continues, discussing the various bacterial diseases and viral diseases he regularly encounters with his homosexual patients — the most prominent being AIDS (the current figure is that 70 percent of Americans with AIDS are male homosexuals or bisexuals). In addition, he asserts that up to 86 percent of homosexual males use various drugs to enhance and increase their sexual stimulation.<sup>44</sup>
Is the homosexual lifestyle a healthy one? The information presented above just scratches the surface showing the pathological nature of these sexual practices. Much more could be shared (e.g., the homosexual is three times more suicidal than the heterosexual; a recent study shows the life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS being about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual; and so forth),<sup>45</sup> but space will not permit it. I believe that any unbiased reader would have to admit that homosexuality is neither a healthy lifestyle nor a natural one.



 
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I could go on and on, but the point is - that most Americans detest
gay marriage, as well as most Californians.
 

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OMG, You're so stupid, you didn't even get my point.

Learn how to spell too.

Because your point dont make sense.

And about spelling thats a fair point I cant spell worth a fuck, I can remember when I was a kid throwing my spelling book out the bus window maybe I should of hung on to it.

And if you dont want gays to adopt kids just make a law not allowing them to adpot kids. Let them get married but not to adopt kids problem solved.

The only reason your against gay marriage is because it might say something like that in the bible right?
 

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I could go on and on, but the point is - that most Americans detest
gay marriage, as well as most Californians.


I think your real point is that most Americans are ingorant fucks like you but that doesnt mean that the gays should suffer because of your lack of an open mind. I hope all your kids grow up to be gay Democrats with black boyfriends.
 

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The problem with gay marriage has more to do with everything else that goes with marriage (health care, benefits, descent and distribution).

Where I live in Broward County, Florida I strongly object to my county government giving full benefits to partners. Part of the reason that the gay lobby has fought so hard for the benefits is for HIV infected individuals that are otherwise unisurable who now get health insurance through the state pool.

You want civil unions, go right ahead; but no benefits.
 
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I think your real point is that most Americans are ingorant fucks like you but that doesnt mean that the gays should suffer because of your lack of an open mind. I hope all your kids grow up to be gay Democrats with black boyfriends.

Wow, what a well thought out intelligent post.

Not only am I not ingorant (sic), but my positions are very well thought
out and very defensible.

Thanks for asking though.

If my kids end up with black spouses, I have no problem with that,
if they are fine upstanding individuals - I am far from a racist.
 

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I'll answer your stupid question with one of my own, ok?

Who cares if NAMBLA is allowed to have gay men fuck little boys, how
does that affect your life?

http://www.nambla.org

I don't understand the connection?

Homosexual consenting adults getting married and a criminal organization?

Please explain...
 

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I don't understand the connection?

Homosexual consenting adults getting married and a criminal organization?

Please explain...


Not to worry, FZ's positions are very well thought
out and very defensible.
 

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I guess the big problem people have is they are under the impression that Marriage is a religious thing and not just a contract between to people.
 

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