Gameface: I agree with ya on the UN ..

[docmercer--banned]

We need to move on as the UN is truely worthless ... lets look at some of the facts:

*The UN has prevented no wars since its Charter was written... It's historical solution to preventing war is to prop up dictatorships instead.

*In places where the UN HAS intervened, instead of wars, there was only one-sided slaughter -- said slaughter being perpetrated by the side most acceptable to the UN majority.

*The UN's protection of fundamental human rights is also subject to the whim of the majority.

* Because of the Islamic majority voting bloc at the UN, Saudi Arabia's abysmal human rights record is ignored, while America is constantly being criticized for violating human rights within its own borders.

* While Islamic terrorists target Israeli civilians with virtual impunity, Israeli retaliation against terrorists is a violation of human rights, according to UN majority vote.

* Equal protection under the law does not exist, since the 'rule of law' is whatever the majority says it is on any given day.

* The UN's protection of equal human rights between men and women does NOT extend to women living in Islamic republics where women are routinely murdered by their brothers, fathers or husbands in so-called 'honor killings' .

* Although the US has veto power at the Security Council (as does Great Britain and Saddan's co-conspirators, France, Russia, China), in the General Assembly, the US is but one vote out of 191.

* The United States is the UN's largest cash cow. Although the US vote is no more important in the UN General Assembly than that of Micronesia, US tax dollars funneled into the United Nation accounts make up one-third of the UN's operating budget for global peace-keeping efforts.

* And US contributions account for 25% of the UN's annual budget. There are 191 countries in the UN. America contributes one dollar for every three dollars contributed to the UN -- by the other 190 countries combined!

* Since 1945, congressional records indicate that the United States has given $30 billion to the corrupt organization as it pursues a futile enterprise and undermines the sovereignty of the United States.

 

[GAMEFACE]

All true... We should stop funding tomorrow.

 

[docmercer--banned]

and another thing ....

We should shut down every one of the 1200 + Mosques in this country ...

Sorry, but the more ya read about this "Religion" and the more ya read books by Emerson and how they have infiltrated this country with the intention of having a Muslim President in place by 2020, I say let your boy Ashcroft do his thing as this is far from the "Religion of Peace" as touted by Bush

And WTF is he doing holding Ramadan festivals in the White House?

Seriously, if the avg American understood the Wahhabism form of this religion that is being spread they would be more than a little uncomfortable driving by their local Mosque

 

[xpanda]

We need to move on as the UN is truely worthless ... lets look at some of the facts:

*The UN has prevented no wars since its Charter was written... It's historical solution to preventing war is to prop up dictatorships instead.

Certainly individual nation-states would never do this. Certainly the US itself, either independent of or dependent on the UN would never do this.

Though I do recall a recent war that the UN was unable to prevent ...

* Although the US has veto power at the Security Council (as does Great Britain and Saddan's co-conspirators, France, Russia, China), in the General Assembly, the US is but one vote out of 191.

Seriously? 'Although the US has veto power'??? You make it seem like it's some marginal perk with no real benefits! Are you suggesting that the US should have MORE than one vote in the General Assembly??? Further, are you suggesting that the US was NEVER Saddam's co-conspirator???

Jesus.

* The United States is the UN's largest cash cow. Although the US vote is no more important in the UN General Assembly than that of Micronesia, US tax dollars funneled into the United Nation accounts make up one-third of the UN's operating budget for global peace-keeping efforts.

The US has not paid its membership dues in years. You guys currently owe I believe 25 million or something ridiculous like that.

* And US contributions account for 25% of the UN's annual budget. There are 191 countries in the UN. America contributes one dollar for every three dollars contributed to the UN -- by the other 190 countries combined!

And you have permanent membership at the Security Council. Giddy up.

* Since 1945, congressional records indicate that the United States has given $30 billion to the corrupt organization as it pursues a futile enterprise and undermines the sovereignty of the United States.

How in the fück has the UN undermined US sovereignty? Were there more wars y'all wanted to start but were told 'no' and sent to your room without dessert?


Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin is engaging in Bush-arse-kissing with the intent to present his plans for a G-20. It would include Western and allied nations with common interests and would provide the same kind of 'discussion' bureaucracy as exists at the UN. The difference would be that we would have more commanalities than differences.

The biggest problem with the UN, in my opinion, is the permanent member status and veto power of a mere five nations. During the '80s, nothing was accomplished as Russia and the US engaged in a pissing contest. The war in Iraq is a perfect example of the self-interested power that one member state can have if given veto power.

In a way you're right --- what good is the UN if it can't stop the US from blowing another country to shît??

 

[xpanda]

We should shut down every one of the 1200 + Mosques in this country ...

Sorry, but the more ya read about this "Religion" and the more ya read books by Emerson and how they have infiltrated this country with the intention of having a Muslim President in place by 2020, I say let your boy Ashcroft do his thing as this is far from the "Religion of Peace" as touted by Bush

And WTF is he doing holding Ramadan festivals in the White House?

Seriously, if the avg American understood the Wahhabism form of this religion that is being spread they would be more than a little uncomfortable driving by their local Mosque

Is that a Blackshirt on your back or are you just happy to see me?

 

[docmercer--banned]

Xpanda:

The form of Islam that is being spread, and centered in Saudi Arabia, is Wahhabism ... the violent form of Islam that is centered around converting all to Islam or killing em

 

[xpanda]

Xpanda:

The form of Islam that is being spread, and centered in Saudi Arabia, is Wahhabism ... the violent form of Islam that is centered around converting all to Islam or killing em

And you think closing down all the Mosques and 'letting Ashcroft do his thing' is the solution?

 

[WildBill]

Good luck finding many strains of that form of Islam in the US. Sure it is a problem, but then again I find some strains of Christianity not exactly comforting. No they don't preach killing, but they sure do preach intolerance for other religions and the non-believers as well.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Wildbill:

The Koran has over 120 passages regarding "killing the infidels" ...

Go read Emerson's book: "American Jihad .."

The Wahhabism form of Islam that we are at war with right now is anything but a "Religion of Peace" ...

Bottom line: we are fighting the wrong country .. Iraq is not the problem ... the Saudis have us bent over and are shoving it deeper and deeper every day

 

[GAMEFACE]

and another thing ....

We should shut down every one of the 1200 + Mosques in this country ...

Sorry, but the more ya read about this "Religion" and the more ya read books by Emerson and how they have infiltrated this country with the intention of having a Muslim President in place by 2020, I say let your boy Ashcroft do his thing as this is far from the "Religion of Peace" as touted by Bush

And WTF is he doing holding Ramadan festivals in the White House?

Seriously, if the avg American understood the Wahhabism form of this religion that is being spread they would be more than a little uncomfortable driving by their local Mosque

Not a bad idea, to close down all 1200+ mosques. Doc now you're coming up with a few good ideas. The whiny liberals along with the ACLU will fight tooth and nail for the rights of the religion of peace. They rather see a million Americans murdered that one member of the religion of peace miss a day on the pray rug plotting against the sheeple.

I agree it was stupid for Bush to shine their shoes with the Ramadan non-sense.

 

[xpanda]

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in your Constitution.

What the two of you are proposing is downright fascist and decidedly anti-American. Is it your wish to have a solidly Christian nation-state cut off from the rest of the world except when you need to march about and impose your will??

Nationalism, xenophobia, aims at empire ... let's hope the likes of you guys are the minority at the moment.

 

[GAMEFACE]

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in your Constitution.

What the two of you are proposing is downright fascist and decidedly anti-American. Is it your wish to have a solidly Christian nation-state cut off from the rest of the world except when you need to march about and impose your will??

Nationalism, xenophobia, aims at empire ... let's hope the likes of you guys are the minority at the moment.

It's called self preservation. Murder is not a religion, submission is not a religion. The sheeple are waking to the fact that the hitlers in head sharfs are on the march. These islamic military outpost will need to be close eventually. Ask some Euro nation about these outpost?

 

[JDeuce]

Though I do recall a recent war that the UN was unable to prevent ...

Can you name ANY war the UN has prevented, XP? I can name plenty it has caused...

The whole organization has become nothing more than a pointless debating society populated with dictatorship representatives. The sooner the US exits stage left, the better...

 

[xpanda]

Though I do recall a recent war that the UN was unable to prevent ...

Can you name ANY war the UN has prevented, XP? I can name plenty it has caused...

The whole organization has become nothing more than a pointless debating society populated with dictatorship representatives. The sooner the US exits stage left, the better...

While I don't necessarily disagree with many of the complaints about the UN, I certainly have a hard time listening to Americans talk about how the US has been 'dragged down' into immorality because of it. Yes, it pretty much is a pointless debating society, but it's no more corrupt or ill-intended than the foreign policy of the US, the country most likely to act like a victim of the UN.

 

[Shotgun]

Xpanda, there's a nasty hit piece on Canada regarding Israel:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...le/ShowFull&cid=1101183314133&p=1006953079865

Let's begin with the United Nations. Here Israel's friend, Canada, has voted against Israel 78 times, abstained 38 times, and voted in support of Israel, by its own admission, only once – although a phone call to Israel's UN delegation in New York was unable to confirm even that.

In spite of evidence that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are on UNRWA's payroll and have taken full advantage of UNRWA funds and facilities to further their own unholy agenda, Canada continues to contribute $10 million annually to UNRWA.

Canada has also given a quarter of a billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority, a goodly percentage of which, no doubt, has been used to subsidize Suha Arafat's opulent Paris lifestyle; or perhaps found its way into the coffers of the terror networks.

Canada also failed to support Israel at the UN when a resolution was tabled demanding that Israel dismantle the fence in accordance with the ruling of the International Court of Justice. Canada has come out in favor of the "right of return" for Palestinian refugees, with the disclaimer that Palestinians may return only if they are willing to live in peace.

Martin even dispatched his foreign affairs minister to attend Arafat's funeral, a greater honor than was accorded former president Ronald Reagan on the recent occasion of his death.

Canada hasn't conducted itself as an honest broker. It has attempted to equate the struggle of a fellow democracy to defend itself with the efforts of a terrorist regime to destroy its neighbor.

Canada has not earned the privilege of participating in any peace negotiations involving Israel, and Israelis should think long and hard before welcoming Canada to the negotiating table.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Shotgun:

When it comes to giving money to the Palestinian Authority, the good ol USA is not shy:

July 09, 2003

Administration clears way for direct aid to Palestinian Authority

The Bush administration has cleared the way for $20 million in direct U.S. assistance to the Palestinian Authority, a step reflecting its support for Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas' leadership.

"We stand behind Mr. Abbas and under his leadership we have seen constructive change," State Department deputy spokesman Philip T. Reeker said Wednesday.

 

[xpanda]

Canada has not earned the privilege of participating in any peace negotiations involving Israel, and Israelis should think long and hard before welcoming Canada to the negotiating table.

So one must be a blanket supporter of Israel in order to earn a role in the peace process?

Plus, Martin has only been PM for a year, and Sharon has been in power this whole time. Sharon represents a very poor excuse of a democratic leader, no? I think there's a wee bit more to it than the Jerusalem Post would be willing to report. I wonder what the Palestinians think of us? Probably something very similar ...

Canada has also given a quarter of a billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority, a goodly percentage of which, no doubt, has been used to subsidize Suha Arafat's opulent Paris lifestyle; or perhaps found its way into the coffers of the terror networks.

Inflammatory allegations which, since they are preceded with 'perhaps', are not worthy of discussion. I bet this same rag thinks Saddam could have and probably would have given WMD to terrorist groups, too.

Personally, I think Canada should simply stay away from the Israeli/Palestinian issue altogether. If they want to blow one another up over a chunk of land and the fulfillment of their own religious prophecy, then let them at it. It's idiotic, barbaric, and a waste of human life. Why should any of us get dragged down into this mess?