Game 4 discussion

[zackattackisbackjack]

Cleveland looked down right dominant in game 3, however golden St looked down right dreadful up until the 4th.

conventional reasoning says golden st plays better and therefore scores more points. I'm looking pretty hard at the over for tomorrow's tilt. I just can't seem to get a feel on which side. I'm leaning Cleveland again but my gut is telling me after the 4th q of last game curry and co will bring the intensity and be ready to go from the tipoff, instead of waiting 36 minutes to turn it up like last night.

thougts? I made this thread for discussion. All comments welcome. Let's get a winner!

 

[Greenbacks]

The only thing I have to say zack is......The Warriors are favored yet again in game 4...-2.5.

 

[BlacK_HazE]

GS game 4 = $$$. GS or no play imo.

 

[bobbyjones2]

jesus..i thought they would show up in 3..its appearing to me that clev defense hasn t been cracked..draymond green has been a nightmare..he should get benched for lee..

sorry, i just see a team that has lost its confidence, and their identity..clev has been the better team for the majority of the series..unless they wear down, which is possible playing 6 or 7 guys, i dont see them losing 3 more

why the f is clev getting points at home again?

 

[Biz]

Clearly, what GS is doing isn't working.

They need to take a page from what Cleveland is doing, which is make someone other than Curry beat you. GS needs to get the ball out of Lebron's hands. Easier said than done. Trap him at mid court, don't let him have his way 1-1. Nobody on the planet can stop that. Make him give up the ball. If someone else beats you, I can live with that. It might also speed the game up if they try it. You can't let Lebron grind the clock with iso ball.

The iso heavy offense is taking away what GS does best on defense, switching and getting into passing lanes. Less passes, more iso....less switching and fewer passes to get stolen. That has limited the GS break opportunities, which has been nonexistent.

Green has to start taking and making 3's, Barnes has to be more assertive and knocking down open jumpers. I said before the last game, they need to start taking these guys off the dribble. When Curry has space against Matt D, don't come over and set a screen. All that does is bring another defender and cramp the space. Clear out space for Curry, and let him work on Matt D.

On screen and roll plays, they need guys like Lee on the floor. He is able to make passes and make shots, something others can't or haven't been able to do. Bogut/Ezeli are worthless screeners, their guy doubles Curry and when they receive the pass wide open they don't have the skills necessary to make them pay. Lee does.

GS coaches are far more intelligent than I am, but as a guy that has watched every GS game for years, this is what I see. I expect a different team Thursday, hopefully they don't show us what insanity is. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

[bones1980]

If u trap James Cleveland will light it up from behind the arc. Try it !

 

[Salsantorre]

I believe Cleveland is gassed after these three games physically and emotionally. I see them a little flat for the next one. Made A play on GS already. Maybe 1srt quarter or first half play on GS not a bad idea either.

 

[wizardofodd]

I believe Cleveland is gassed after these three games physically and emotionally. I see them a little flat for the next one. Made A play on GS already. Maybe 1srt quarter or first half play on GS not a bad idea either.

Why would only Cleveland be gassed?? Last time I checked, Warriors played the at the same time and dates.

 

[Salsantorre]

Why would only Cleveland be gassed?? Last time I checked, Warriors played the at the same time and dates.

Cleveland is playing with seven, mostly six guys. Leboob played 46 minutes. Deli was in the hospital after the game. What do you think?

 

[RookieDL]

Green - 2/10 FGs
Barnes - 0-8 FGs

It's easy to point at poor shooting but that's exactly why the warriors are losing right now. The west teams would be killing the warriors by 15-20pts if the warriors shot this poorly against them. The cavs size is bothering the warriors inside, but I see a lot of foul calls constantly being called against the warriors. Anyone see lebron's slide into curry??

The warriors best asset is that they stay relaxed and focused. It probably won't be 3 straight like the warriors had against memphis. I'm betting on the warriors putting the cavs on their toes next game and unlike the warriors, the cavs won't be making any runs. They are expending way too much energy winning the past 2.

 

[RookieDL]

Clearly, what GS is doing isn't working.

What they are doing is fine. They just arent hitting their wide open shots. I just heard a stat on sportscenter that lebron has missed more shots than any other player has taken in the series. He's shooting 40% for the series. The warriors defense is keeping them in the game. The warriors just need to start hitting the shots they have made all season

 

[Biz]

You missed my other points. It isn't all missed open jumpers. Read the other points I made.

 

[Biz]

I mentioned in another thread the defense isn't the problem.

Making open jumpers helps, but they have also settled for jumpers. Cleveland has a short bench, make them work on defense. Drive the ball, isolate Curry on Matt D in space. Quit calling over screeners, that just clogs space.

 

[RookieDL]

it was odd for them not to have curry run the offense on more plays. I think they go at dellavedova a lot more next game.

 

[Greenbacks]

I mentioned in another thread the defense isn't the problem.

Making open jumpers helps, but they have also settled for jumpers. Cleveland has a short bench, make them work on defense. Drive the ball, isolate Curry on Matt D in space. Quit calling over screeners, that just clogs space.

They been driving the ball Biz....Cavs are shutting off the middle of the lane.....Warriors can`t get to the hoop in either game.

I hope they can win game 4 though....Need to find a way.

Good luck!

 

[RDTrains]

Since 2012, road favorites trailing in a playoff series 2-1 have fared extremely well, winning eight of nine times, including a 3-0 mark this postseason.

 

[Biz]

Matt D should not be the factor that he has been so far. The Warriors should be embarrassed by his production. No disrespect, he's a hard nose player. NBA caliber no doubt. But really? 20 points?

The Dubs need to take a long look at themselves in the mirror. They need to match the energy and intensity of Cleveland.

They have played like crap offensively, if they can knock down shots they've made all year they will be fine.

Play hard, match Cleveland's intensity, knock down shots, play with confidence. Do this and they win by double digits. Call me a homer, whatever. Dubs win Thursday.

 

[JDeuce]

The only time the Warriors have led at the end of any quarter in this series is the end of OT in Game 1. Other than that, Cleveland has outplayed them and could easily be ahead 3-0. Warriors are more talented, but the Cavs just seem like they are going to drag GS through hell to get a title...and GS isn't digging it.

Warriors fans think they may have found something in David Lee. Yeah, he can be a talented offensive player...but he also has to play defense. If he plays for long stretches, Blatt will force Lee to have to match up on LeBron...and that will end very badly for GS.

Basically, the Cavs are making the Warriors play a style of offense they don't want to play. This really does come down to whether or not LeBron and the Cavs can control the tempo of the game and limit the Warriors offensive chances. Kerr can only hope to affect that with his line up changes...but in the end, since they have no one player that can do a solid job on LeBron it leaves Kerr virtually helpless. So they have to rely on Curry or Thompson getting super hot from beyond the arc. Dellavedova has slowed that down in a big way. Think GS' only hope is the Cavs tire out, which is a real possibility and probably why GS seems to have outscored the Cavs in the 4th qtr of every game this series (nice prop for you to check out).

I'm backing the Cavs ML again tonight. I really think the only way they'll lose is if they suffer another injury. If Dellavedova starts getting cramps during a game, they're absolutely screwed. One guy on XM radio said it best the other day...a host said the Cavs aren't getting a lot of bench scoring, and the co-host responded "that's because their bench is in the starting lineup right now."

 

[zackattackisbackjack]

Matt D should not be the factor that he has been so far. The Warriors should be embarrassed by his production. No disrespect, he's a hard nose player. NBA caliber no doubt. But really? 20 points?

The Dubs need to take a long look at themselves in the mirror. They need to match the energy and intensity of Cleveland.

They have played like crap offensively, if they can knock down shots they've made all year they will be fine.

Play hard, match Cleveland's intensity, knock down shots, play with confidence. Do this and they win by double digits. Call me a homer, whatever. Dubs win Thursday.

Anyone who who watched this boy play in college should not be surprised by the numbers he's putting up. Not one bit. This guy was lethal in college. It's hilarious that the so called "experts" are saying its a surprise. This guy can get buckets!

 

[Biz]

Anyone who who watched this boy play in college should not be surprised by the numbers he's putting up. Not one bit. This guy was lethal in college. It's hilarious that the so called "experts" are saying its a surprise. This guy can get buckets!

I watched him plenty in college, I live 20 minutes from the campus. probably watched more of his college games than 99% of guys on this forum.

Lots of guys were "lethal" in college and can't do it at the next level.

Again, I never said he can't play. But he is not a 20 ppg NBA player, and should not be impacting the game to the degree he is.