Gambling Regulation by Nover - Great Read..

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If you think Americans are incredulous when it comes to our government's anti-sports gambling stance, try talking to British bookmakers. They are positively stunned about how ignorant some U.S. politicians are when it comes to gaming, especially on the Internet.

"Sports betting over here is viewed as adding entertainment to your sporting experience," said John Coates, CEO of bet365 International Sportsbook and Casino, which has 59 licensed betting offices in the United Kingdom. "If you have a few dollars bet on a soccer match, you enjoy the soccer match more because of it."

It's also that way for most Americans in their major sports. But instead of focusing on millions of untapped revenue and letting people do what they want with their entertainment dollars, the U.S. government concentrates solely on negatives such as underage betting and gambling addiction.

"The best way to stop underage people from gambling is to regulate it," Coates said. "Make sure they can't go into betting shops or open an account.

"I have sympathy for people who have concerns about anything that is taken to excess. But the best way to deal with that is to regulate it and ensure whatever safeguards are necessary be put in so these people are protected."

Pro-betting historical views are deeply ingrained in the British. They have had phone betting for a 100 years. The government started issuing betting office licenses in 1963.

Now there are more than 8,000 betting shops in the United Kingdom. It's not an exaggeration to say there is a book on just about every street corner.

"What surprises me is that they (the U.S. government) don't sit down and look at the UK model," Coates said. "They would see that because the UK regulates gambling, it hasn't meant there are loads of problem gamblers. Indeed, it has meant less problem gamblers because regulations ensure those people are protected.

"Underage gambling isn't an issue here because the police work with you to make sure it doesn't happen."

British bookmakers were taxed 6.75 percent of their handle until two years ago. Because of that, a number of British bookmaking firms fled the United Kingdom to set up phone accounts and Internet betting in places where there was no government tax.

Realizing revenue was being lost, British politicians were savvy enough to meet with various bookmakers and their representatives to see what could bring them back. In October of 2001, the government changed from taxing handle to taxing hold percentage, which is profit after expenses.

This fair compromise brought a lot of bookmakers back to the United Kingdom. The government was able to get its slice of the action, while keeping things regulated and credible. Bookmakers were happy because they no longer had to pass this tax on to the customers. Of course, the gamblers felt good because they could bet more. So it was a win-win situation for everyone.

It's hard to fathom this kind of scenario ever occurring in the U.S.

"If (U.S.) politicians could come over here and see it working in action, I'm sure they'd get the comfort they wanted and be able to realize that this is the way to move the industry forward," Coates said.
 

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Brock I agree..I posted a thread on this early in the AM
 

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I forwarded this article to my local state rep, he has a son working with him that i have had good contact with.
 

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Sometimes, as much as I love my country--our governemnt suffers from IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE!
 

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The stinkin politicians are just cowtowing to the religious right. As soon as public opinion says to make sportsbetting legal these sleazy political hacks will legalize it.
 

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Lets not forget that British politics are a lot less influenced by money and also that most of the world lacks this incessant morality push. Funny how most of the world thinks the US is responsible for the lowering of worldwide moral standards, yet they are doing nothing much to stop it. Yet in the US politicians are clamoring to do just this.

And lastly only our sports leagues are world-class hypocrites. The soccer leagues of the world often gladly accept sports betting on their games, they just make sure they aren't profiting from it directly to avoid suspicions. Here the sports leagues swear their game's integrity is so at stake, yet coveniently ignore the billions they make off of ratings driven by betting. The best are the NCAA. What a freaking bunch of morons there, they really want us to believe that March Madness pools are a scourge and that people would watch just as much without them? Come on, who in the hell believes that??? And this whole Neuheisel thing, oh my god I am about to lose my patience with that. Tell a guy its ok to do something, then tell him "hey idiot, don't pay attention to us and the memos we send, we are firing you because you and a bunch of your rich neighbors bet on our sacred tournament."
 

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the problem is the the US tries to regulate morality. i for one can make my own decisions, and have no problem looking in the mirror
 

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Very nice read Nover.

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This Nover guy is a great writer, hopefully I will not have any issues/battles with this guy in the future.
 
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With many states having severe budget crises and tax revenues are way down, it's only a matter of time until legalized, regulated, (and taxed) sports betting becomes more widespread in the U.S. Remember a year or two ago, Jesse Ventura basically said screw the feds, we'll open a book at the Mall of America. Some state will eventually be desperate enough to try it. Look at the spread of legalized gambling. I took a road trip cross country recently. While it used to be (i.e. 10 or 15 years ago) a real novelty to come accross a casino, now they are all over the place. As gambling's acceptance grows and states keep searching for new sources of tax revenues, sportsbetting will become legal. Probably sooner than you might think, but it's inevitable.
 

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But do you know what they face first? First off they have to go to court and get the Bill Bradley BS law taken out. Most legal experts figure it probably won't hold up in court, but with the sports leagues backing them up you just never know with judges these days. If they get that done then they have to get the representatives and governor to sign off on it. Then they need to create facilities to do it in. Then the hardest part, they need to get people to accept bad odds to overcome what surely will be the biggest rip off of all, the state cut. Jesse was great, a real forward thinker, but don't even for a second think these other guvs are going to be anything like him. Their game will be lottery-run with parlays almost certainly being the game offered, at horrible odds.

I just don't get it, a lot of posters here are dreaming of this day and letting their view of the world cloud the reality. The reality is what you will get and you won't like it one bit. We may want privatized sports betting with books as they exist today, but our opinion won't be what counts. What matters are the opinions of those that won't participate, won't get enjoyment out of these, won't get a job in them. No they will be decided by greedy lawmakers who will say they are holding their noses but they need the money. In those circumstances do you really feel you are going to see what you think is a good business out there? Come now, I would definitely lay big odds against that. And lets not forget the common refrain "slow the proliferation of gaming". Well in this one we lose BIG. The state can make 10 times as much money on a single location with 500 VLTs than they will make in a year of statewide sports betting. Then their argument becomes "well we slowed the proliferation of gaming because these people wanted to put up a place to bet in every town while all we are allowing is one place to open, a place that will create jobs and maximize revenue". Those are the types of things you hear these days and that is what I base my expectation on. Reality...
 

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Wild Bill, two questions:


1) Are there elections coming in Nov. which could upset the Republican’s majority in both Houses? If so, what is your read on the likelihood of the Dems taking control of at least one House?

2) What is the likelihood that HR3125 makes it to the President’s desk by Dec.?

Thanks
 

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1. Close to zero, part of their problem is W and his popularity getting out the vote for Republicans. The party is in disarray as well, with no real message, just a hodgepodge of ideas and poor leadership in the chambers. If anything the W money machine will make things even worse because the soft money ban means that you have to get more people to donate individually to the candidate. W shows up and speaks for 15 minutes at a dinner and suddenly you have quite literally a "one-night stand" that pays off bigtime with thousands of extra dollars in the coffers.

2. That is just so tough to say. The people I know are a lot more tied into the House and as I detailed before the House is a lot more predictable for these things. Senators are much more entrenched in the favors world, which makes things hard to say until it comes close and those favors get called in. One guy I know says he puts it a 65% chance of getting passed, but puts a lot of that chance in passing exactly what is there now, a gutless statement with no enforcement. He feels that might actually be the way things turn out because in essence it would give something to just about everyone without really stopping anything or anyone. Nice way to put it when you think about it...

Behind the scenes Conyers supposedly is still going to push for regulation. What I heard is that Detroit is so enamored with how the casinos have gone and how they really have built downtown traffic where there was hardly any before that now he is being sold on the idea of making Detroit and Michigan a "hub" of online gaming should it ever be allowed. The whole area has tons of workers in tech, but its all manufacturing and auto related, the goal of some techies in the area is to diversify so they can get some more talent there and utilize the strong batch of university grads they get there. Its amazing but Conyers really is about the only politician I know that "gets it". Where others see criminal activity and side effects of gaming, this guy sees a new niche of development trying to breathe more life into what has long been considered the most moribund of all the major cities. Problem is that its not that he is fighting for sports betting, just gaming in general and everyone that would get involved in that would gladly give up sports betting in a heartbeat to insure they were allowed to offer slots/poker.
 

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>>>One guy I know says he puts it a 65% chance of getting passed, but puts a lot of that chance in passing exactly what is there now, a gutless statement with no enforcement.<<<


So if this bill is passed ‘as is’ what does this mean to offshore gamblers? Does it mean we have nothing to worry about if we log onto a sportsbook and make a bet? HR3125 clearly states this action to be illegal. Yet, there are no “guts” to the law, so there are no penalties. What do US citizens have to fear? And will banks cease all relationships with offshores just because it’s an illegal activity? or will they continue because the law is “a gutless statement with no enforcement?”

THANKS for your insight Wildbill.
 

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You pretty much got it there. No enforcement so why would any law enforcement agency even bother you.

Its an important distinction to some and here is why in two words : tribal gaming. The haphazard way gaming has expanded, with tribes getting the exclusive rights in so many areas, scares a lot of anti-gamers and legal gamers as well. They are concerned that if a tribe really wanted to, they might be able to open up a sports book in Oregon right now. There some sports gaming is allowed, namely NFL parlay cards, so the tribes technically could allow unlimited betting on the NFL and probably everything else because there is no law against it as long as they don't take bets from across state lines. They extrapolate this out and think that with horse betting being across state lines that tenuously there could be some court rulings that basically don't shut the tribes down and they start taking sports bets and casino bets online. Even if there is no enforcement, just making it technically illegal would shut most tribes out of even participating so that is where this gutless bill would have its biggest effect.

Otherwise as a bettor just remember that very few efforts have ever been made to criminalize your activity. The reality is that people bet and law enforcement doesn't want to feel obligated to stop this person by person so they always push for bookmaker aimed rules and this one,if it had penalties, would almost certainly be essentially the same. That is where the silliness gets in, what they are saying is "bookmakers respect our law" and you know what they are going to do about that!
 

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Just call me totally stupid here if you like, but I can not understand for the life of me what is meant by "illegal", but "no punishment".
(for the player).

Is ther any other Federal law for ANYTHING on ANY subject which says something is "illegal", but no penalties. Could this be interrupted as whatever fine a judge might wish to impose, since no penalty stated.
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