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A man is suing Star City Casino after he lost $50,000 when staff allegedly broke an agreement not to let him near the blackjack tables. Chi Thanh Nguyen, 35, was financially ruined and on the verge of a marriage breakdown when the casino offered to ban him for life.
The casino offers a self-exclusion service that lets gamblers ban themselves with the help of casino staff. But two years after signing the agreement, Mr Nguyen had a moment of weakness and returned to Star City, where he dropped another $50,000.

Mr Nguyen: 'I excluded myself from the casino after they made me lose a lot of money at baccarat and blackjack. I had lost $150,000, and I said: 'I can't lose any more money, please don't let me in any more.' I signed a form and they said if I returned, I would be fined $2000 and they could kick me out.'

Mr Nguyen's solicitor confirmed yesterday that she was preparing to sue the casino for breach of duty, negligence and $50,000 in damages. A Star City Casino spokesman said yesterday Mr Nguyen had been detected entering the casino on May 5 and was escorted out by a government inspector.

A spokesman said: 'Star City does all it can to detect people who have self-excluded from the casino, and we ask them to leave. However, we don't pretend it's possible to detect everyone who tries to re-enter, especially when the gaming floor is crowded.'
 

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come on....this guy can not be serious I think he needs to check into a mental hospital ..and not make the casino babysit him if hes THAT addicted...
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MAN THOSE VIETNAMESE LOVE TO GAMBLE HERE IN BOSTON THERE IS A BUS IN CHINATOWN AND ITS FULL OF ASIAN GAMBLERS GOING TO FOXWOODS EVERYDAY.I JUST WISH THESE SUCKERS BET THE GAMES MY BOOKIES WOULD HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THESE SUCKERS AND I WOULD GET 20% OF THERE LOSSES.
 

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BTJ...I was in vegas playing Pai Gow (trying to learn the game) and this oriental guy got beat by the dealer by 1 card...she was oriental and he yelled out to her ,which im sure was a oriental curse word so I have seen what you mean here...he had just dropped 1000 like that.
 

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Do you think if he won 50,000$ would we be hearing anything bout this minus the 2,000$ fine! Just a degenerate gambler trying to save his marriage!
 

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Dante- Many people curse in casinos and sports books buddy.

This is not a frivilious lawsuit. The plantiff was subject to a $2000 fine for entering the casino and the casino had prior notice that the guy wanted protection from himself. Now morally / ethically , I am oposed to this lawsuit, but the facts will determine the outcome.

There is a cause of action here, now If the casino used adequate safeguards to properly identify anyone who signed such an agreement, then they will probably not be liable. But we all know that most casinos use sophisticated surveilance equiptment, so If it were available to them and they were negligent in failing to properly remove him from the casino prior to his losses, the casino will likely be found liable for the 50K.
 

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good point dogball...but im just saying that he is an ADULT and needs to take responsiblity for his own actions..if he needs that much help check into a mental hospital as it sounds like this guy is WAY gone already.. just my opinion
 

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Dante-
"but im just saying that he is an ADULT and needs to take responsiblity for his own actions"

Could not agree more, However- in our society, the legal system practically begs us to look for loopholes to avoid responsibility, part of the reason I was turned off to law and why many people hate lawyers.
 

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"A Star City Casino spokesman said yesterday Mr Nguyen had been detected entering the casino on May 5 and was escorted out by a government inspector." The Casino complied with the agreement the guy insisted...anyway is a pretty nice scam!!
 

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If he had been fined the 2K when they first detected him, he might not have come back. The way i see it he owes the Casino 2K after he wins his 50K back in court>
 

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the spokesman said they can't detect everybody when the floor is crowded. i agree if the guy is sneaking around betting 5 dollars a hand. There is no way no matter how crowded the casino is that the guy could lose 50,000 and the casino wouldn't notice. They would have needed to see id after the first 10000 to comply with 6a currency transaction laws. i don't agree with suing the casinos when you lose but this guy acknowledged he was a sick gambler and made an arrangement with the casino to stop him. there is no way he could have lost 50000 in one shot undetected by the casino. they had to know he was there and playing. These places will spot card counters in disguises when it's crowded and they are betting much smaller than this guy had to be betting. by the way for those that say he wouldn't be suing had he won 50000, that's a nice arguement but had he been winning they definitely would have spotted him long before it got to 50000 and thrown him out.basicly the casino is the one that took the shot because they had to have known he was there.
 

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Gambling Is A Sin*
by Wesley Simons
Introduction
1. By gambling we mean: to wager on an uncertain outcome (or give money
for the opportunity to win by chance) in such fashion as to place another
under obligation to pay a claim against him (or lose money already laid
down) which claim one would not otherwise freely accept and which is the
result mainly of chance. Webster says: to play games for money or some
other stake; to take a risk in order to gain some advantage; to bet; to
wager; an act or undertaking involving some risk of a lost.
2. By sin we mean a violation of God’s will: 1 John 3:4 Whosoever
committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the
law.
3. A writer in Hastings’ Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics argues that
gambling is motivated primarily by three urges:
1. The desire for gain.
2. The desire for excitement.
3. The instinct for combativeness.
4. Thus we declare that gambling is an unauthorized way of putting one’s
fellowman under obligation to self.

I. Major Argument.
1. Put forth in logical form.
1. If it is the case that everything not authorized by God’s word is sinful’
2. And if it is the case that gambling is not authorized by God’s word,
3. Then it is the case that gambling is sinful.
2. We affirm:
1. It is the case that everything not authorized by God’s word is sinful.
(Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the
name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.).
2. It is the case that gambling is not authorized by God’s word.
3. Therefore, gambling is sinful.
3. The argument proven. (God has authorized eight ways money [any
tradable commodity] may be exchanged or gained).
1. Gifts: Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they
saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and
worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they
presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Romans
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him
drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
2. Debt. Matthew 18:23-25 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened
unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And
when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed
him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his
lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that
he had, and payment to be made.
3. Interest. Matthew 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my
money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received
mine own with usury.
4. Investment. Acts 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money,
and laid it at the apostles' feet.
5. Labor. Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let
him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may
have to give to him that needeth.
6. Fines or penalties. Rom. 13:1-5; 2 Samuel 12:6 And he shall
restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had
no pity. Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord;
Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have
taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him
fourfold.
7. Taxes. Romans 13:6-7 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they
are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8. Trade. James 4:13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we
will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and
get gain:
9. As can be seen above, gambling is not an authorized way of or means
of getting gain. The argument is proven.
10. Where is the verse that teaches that I have a right to put my brother
under obligation to me strictly by the avenue of chance when my
brother does not want to lose. He wants to keep his goods. Gambling is
a means of stealing.

II. Other Reasons Why Gambling Is Sinful.
1. It violates the New Testament obligation of faithful stewardship. 1 Peter
4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to
another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 1 Corinthians 4:2
Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
2. It violates the golden rule. Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 13:10 Love worketh no
ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
3. Gambling promotes laziness and quenches the desire for honest work.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the
garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy
face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast
thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
2 Thessalonians 3:10 10 For even when we were with you, this we
commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
4. Gambling, like other vices some becomes addictive and makes a slave of
the participant. 1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all
things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be
brought under the power of any. Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance:
against such there is no law.
5. Gambling is sinful because of the evil example it sets. Romans 12:17
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of
all men. 1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry,
bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to
speak reproachfully. 2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious
ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
6. Gambling breeds dishonesty and deceit. These people often have to steal
to try to cover their gambling debts. Matthew 7:17-18 Even so every
good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil
fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
7. Gambling is a destroyer of the home. Many who gamble cannot buy food,
clothing, etc. for the family. 1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his
own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith,
and is worse than an infidel. In Reno there is an organization called
Gamblers Anonymous wherein families of gamblers can attempt to cope
with their common problems.
8. Gambling is the enemy of mental serenity. Many have committed suicide
because of the gambling loses. I wonder how many people the mob has
killed because they could not pay their gambling debt?

III. Objections.
1. Getting out of bed is a gamble.
2. Wouldn’t playing the stock market be gambling.
3. Farming is a gamble.
4. Going into business is a gamble.
5. Insurance is a gamble.
...6. Some say that the Lord endorsed gambling in: Numbers 26:55
Notwithstanding the land shall be divided by lot: according to the names
of the tribes of their fathers they shall inherit. Acts 1:26 And they gave
forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with
the eleven apostles.

IV.. Those Who Encourage Gambling.
1. Churches: bingo, etc.
2. Schools: selling chances on different items.
3. Clubs: selling chances on different items.
4. Government: lotteries.
5. Many will not speak out against these things.

V. I can’t See Any Harm In It. (Consider theses guidelines when
determining whether a practice is right or wrong).
1. The Personal Test: Will doing this make me a better or worse
Christian?
2. The Social Test: Will doing this influence others to be better or worse
Christians?
3. The Practical Test: Will the results of my doing it be desirable?
4. The Universal Test: If everyone should do this, would it improve or
degrade society?
5. The Scriptural Test: Does the Bible endorse it, or is it expressly
forbidden by the Word of God?
6. The Stewardship Test: Will my doing this constitute a waste of
talent that God has given me?
7. The Character Test: What will be the influence of my moral and
spiritual stamina?
8. The Family Test: Will it bring discredit and dishonor to my family,
and will it embarrass them?
9. The Publicity Test: Would I be willing for friends, fellow Christians,
the elders, and the preacher to know about it?
10. The Common Sense Test: Does it agree with just plain, everyday,
ordinary common sense?
11. The Fairness Test: Is it honest, and is it practicing the golden rule?
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all
appearance of evil” (I Thess. 5:21,22).

VI. What Some Have Said.
1. The FBI released a list of six dangers our young people face - gambling
was on the list.
2. Charles Simmons said, “The best throw with dice is to throw them away.”
3. George Washington said, “Gambling is the child of avarice, (excessive or
inordinate desire or gain; greediness after wealth; or to covet. Definition
added by WS) the brother of iniquity, and the father of mischief.
4. David L. McKenna said, “Gambling is the willingness to take a risk
motivated by the twisted desire to get something for nothing.”
5. Gamblers Anonymous when ask should one avoid all gambling said this,
“One can’t even participate in a little penny ante game or a world series
pool. It means exactly that. A stand has to be made somewhere, and GA
members have found the first bet is the one to avoid even though it may be
as little as matching for a cup of coffee.”
6. Thomas Dewey said, “It is fundamentally immoral to encourage the belief
by the people as a whole in gambling as a source of revenue...The entire
history of legalized gambling in this country and abroad shows that it has
brought nothing but poverty, crime and corruption, demoralization of
moral and ethical standards, and ultimately a lower living standard and
misery for all people.”
7. A vice-president at Harrah’s casino stated: “If he (the gambler) gets into
trouble with his vices, then it’s his problem.”
8. Harry S. Truman once exclaimed: “If you want to be like Nevada, that’s
your business. Nevada is the only black spot on the United States
continent...Legalized gambling is the worse thing in the world. I don’t
believe in it. Too many people have jumped out of windows because of
Nevada. It is a fever.”

Conclusion
1. We are to live the Christian life. We must avoid: betting on sports,
lotteries, bingo, taking chances on different things, slot machines, horse
races, dog races, dog fights, etc.
2. Obey God Today: Hear (Rom. 10:17); believe (John 8:24); repent (Luke
13:3); confess Matt. 10:32-33); and be baptize for the remission of sin
(Acts 2:38). And be faithful unto death (Rev. 2:10).
* Some of this material was borrowed from: Mike Glenn; Wayne Jackson and
a book (author unknown) entitled: Problems Facing Young People.
 

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so there it is

like wayne root says wahetever is obvious is'nt so looks like god is cool with the whole gambling thing we got the prrof now.

there you go you punk who called me dixie. dont get mad cuz you dont know what ebonics is. I happen to like my black honeys with the hazel green eyes, you punk. recognize brilliance in posting when you see it. some day, you'll be as cool as me. your posts are double mine in qty., but lets work on some key areas, you twizzler.
 

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