Small sample size Lander...though Soriano doesn't have the plate patience that Epstein/James want in their hitters. The upgrade from Pokey Reese to Soriano will improve the Red Sox a bit more than the Yankee switch from Soriano to ARod, particularly if Jeter insists on staying at shortstop.
All this action/money is being thrown around for what will basically boil down to a 7 game series against each other in October...gotta love it.
All this action/money is being thrown around for what will basically boil down to a 7 game series against each other in October...gotta love it.
yeah...why the hell would the Rangers deal Soriano? A stud player under contract for only 5 million. Trading him for Manny, would possibly be the dumbest business move in history. You would have to absolutely blow the Rangers away with pitching prospects...and the Sox dont have that.
Wishful thinking by Sox fans.
Wishful thinking by Sox fans.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Shot...don't count out the O's and Jays...Soriano for manny in the OF???...Soriano for Kim??..This would upgrade Rangers pitching with Kim and Contreras...
43 day till opening day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is your source for the Soriano deal?
Most sources say that the ARod deal would be for Soriano and a minor league pitching prospect so how do the Rangers end up with Contreras?
Sox fans are funny...
Shot...don't count out the O's and Jays...Soriano for manny in the OF???...Soriano for Kim??..This would upgrade Rangers pitching with Kim and Contreras...
43 day till opening day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is your source for the Soriano deal?
Most sources say that the ARod deal would be for Soriano and a minor league pitching prospect so how do the Rangers end up with Contreras?
Sox fans are funny...
ESPN.com news services
NEW YORK -- Alex Rodriguez was one step from playing for the New York Yankees.
New York and Texas finalized the terms of a trade Sunday, and the players' association gave its approval. The last hurdle was for commissioner Bud Selig to sign off on a deal, a high-ranking baseball official told The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.
The Rangers will pay $67 million of the $179 million left on the AL MVP's record contract. Texas will get All-Star second baseman Alfonso Soriano and a player to be named.
Yankees captain Derek Jeter would remain the team's shortstop, meaning Rodriguez would be moved from short to third base to fill the hole created when Aaron Boone hurt a knee last month in a pickup basketball game.
The framework of the deal, which the two teams reportedly had in place Saturday night, included the agreement that the Yankees would take on much of the $179 million remaining on Rodriguez's landmark $252 million contract.
The Yankees would pay Rodriguez an average of about $16 million a year, which translates to Texas assuming $67 million of the $179 million left on Rodriguez's contract. Two sources told The Associated Press that Texas has agreed to those terms.
Rodriguez also has agreed to defer some money by five more years -- pushing the last payment back to 2025 -- and at a reduced interest rate, one of the sources said.
According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Rangers would pay $40 million of the $179 million in salary that Rodriguez is owed over the final seven years of his contract and would pick up $27 million of the deferred amount of that contract, which they do not have to pay for 10-12 years.
With those moves, Texas gains about $120 million in flexibility. As for the Yankees, their already hefty payroll would continue to expand.
In addition to the salary owed Rodriguez, he is due $4 million from his signing bonus and $12 million deferred at 3 percent annual interest from salaries during his first three years with Texas.
The New York Post reported that the Yankees would likely have to include Jose Contreras as well as minor-league catcher Dioner Navarro in the trade.
Soriano, 26, will make $5.4 million this year and has two more years of salary arbitration eligibility remaining. The two-time All-Star can become a free agent after the 2006 season.
Thus, the Yankees would take on an extra $183.6 million guaranteed.
The Yankees' payroll currently stands at $170.3 million, not including left-hander Gabe White, who remains in arbitration and will earn at least $1,825,000. A swap of Soriano for Rodriguez leaves New York's payroll at about $190 million.
Rodriguez hit .298 last season with 47 homers, 118 RBI and 17 stolen bases, and Soriano batted .290 with 38 homers, 91 RBI and 35 steals.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
NEW YORK -- Alex Rodriguez was one step from playing for the New York Yankees.
New York and Texas finalized the terms of a trade Sunday, and the players' association gave its approval. The last hurdle was for commissioner Bud Selig to sign off on a deal, a high-ranking baseball official told The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.
The Rangers will pay $67 million of the $179 million left on the AL MVP's record contract. Texas will get All-Star second baseman Alfonso Soriano and a player to be named.
Yankees captain Derek Jeter would remain the team's shortstop, meaning Rodriguez would be moved from short to third base to fill the hole created when Aaron Boone hurt a knee last month in a pickup basketball game.
The framework of the deal, which the two teams reportedly had in place Saturday night, included the agreement that the Yankees would take on much of the $179 million remaining on Rodriguez's landmark $252 million contract.
The Yankees would pay Rodriguez an average of about $16 million a year, which translates to Texas assuming $67 million of the $179 million left on Rodriguez's contract. Two sources told The Associated Press that Texas has agreed to those terms.
Rodriguez also has agreed to defer some money by five more years -- pushing the last payment back to 2025 -- and at a reduced interest rate, one of the sources said.
According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Rangers would pay $40 million of the $179 million in salary that Rodriguez is owed over the final seven years of his contract and would pick up $27 million of the deferred amount of that contract, which they do not have to pay for 10-12 years.
With those moves, Texas gains about $120 million in flexibility. As for the Yankees, their already hefty payroll would continue to expand.
In addition to the salary owed Rodriguez, he is due $4 million from his signing bonus and $12 million deferred at 3 percent annual interest from salaries during his first three years with Texas.
The New York Post reported that the Yankees would likely have to include Jose Contreras as well as minor-league catcher Dioner Navarro in the trade.
Soriano, 26, will make $5.4 million this year and has two more years of salary arbitration eligibility remaining. The two-time All-Star can become a free agent after the 2006 season.
Thus, the Yankees would take on an extra $183.6 million guaranteed.
The Yankees' payroll currently stands at $170.3 million, not including left-hander Gabe White, who remains in arbitration and will earn at least $1,825,000. A swap of Soriano for Rodriguez leaves New York's payroll at about $190 million.
Rodriguez hit .298 last season with 47 homers, 118 RBI and 17 stolen bases, and Soriano batted .290 with 38 homers, 91 RBI and 35 steals.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Ha, just read this post after making one in another thread on Texas being bent at Boston over their trade collapsing(thus deal w/NYY), but they probably are just gonna milk and hose both teams, in a deal between two parties that won't go near one another.
Boston and NY won't deal together, if for no other reason than ego over the possibility of fans revolting, should one or the other having the appearance of the better end of a deal made..even if a deal could look mutually appeasing.
Texas isn't ready to contend, and has no need for a player of Soriano's age, plate-discipline, or mental makeup..better to move him for farm talent.
Boston and NY won't deal together, if for no other reason than ego over the possibility of fans revolting, should one or the other having the appearance of the better end of a deal made..even if a deal could look mutually appeasing.
Texas isn't ready to contend, and has no need for a player of Soriano's age, plate-discipline, or mental makeup..better to move him for farm talent.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Much bigger upside with Sorryass though....patience at the plate will come.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No guarentee. Never came for Juan Samuel who also had unreal speed/power numbers early in his career.
Much bigger upside with Sorryass though....patience at the plate will come.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No guarentee. Never came for Juan Samuel who also had unreal speed/power numbers early in his career.
He had great numbers but they didn't carry over when the Yanks tried to move him down in the lineup. They tried 3rd and 7th for awhile and his BA dropped 60 points. With the firepower the Yankees have now, they really need a more stable defensive 2nd base than Soriano could provide. He should be moved to Center field.
All in all, his numbers on paper make a good face saving deal for the Rangers. After all, they are still going to pay 1/3 of A-Rod's salary. The Yankess wind up paying him closer to what the Rangers should have paid back when they bid themselves up to his gaudy salary. Goes to show how money doesn't always equal smart.
All in all, his numbers on paper make a good face saving deal for the Rangers. After all, they are still going to pay 1/3 of A-Rod's salary. The Yankess wind up paying him closer to what the Rangers should have paid back when they bid themselves up to his gaudy salary. Goes to show how money doesn't always equal smart.
So the Rangers will end up playing A-Rod $140 million for his three seasons at Texas...fine piece of work there for Texas...here's a great article for Yankee haters regarding the trade.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/7962915.htm
"Plus, the problems they had before are still there. When Aaron Boone hurt himself, the Yankees did not have a third baseman. Now, apparently, they do. But now they don't have a second baseman. Is that better? The Yankees have a poorly constructed team anyway: A terrible defensive outfield, a brittle pitching staff, an aging closer, a DH playing first base, a degenerating outfielder playing DH, an overrated defensive shortstop playing short and a fabulous defensive shortstop playing third.
Are they the favorite to win it all? Sure. They've got stars everywhere.
For $190 million, you would think they could have done a little better.
I know I'm on my own here. Most people will tell you the Yankees were the best team before this trade, and now they're so loaded it's sickening. You can hear Yankees fans crowing. You can hear Red Sox fans surrendering. You can hear Yankee-loathers, like myself, asking “What's the point?” Most think the Yankees just bought the pennant.
Maybe this is just wishful, anti-Yankee thinking.
I think they paid for a pennant. I think they just bought a whole lot of headaches instead."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/7962915.htm
"Plus, the problems they had before are still there. When Aaron Boone hurt himself, the Yankees did not have a third baseman. Now, apparently, they do. But now they don't have a second baseman. Is that better? The Yankees have a poorly constructed team anyway: A terrible defensive outfield, a brittle pitching staff, an aging closer, a DH playing first base, a degenerating outfielder playing DH, an overrated defensive shortstop playing short and a fabulous defensive shortstop playing third.
Are they the favorite to win it all? Sure. They've got stars everywhere.
For $190 million, you would think they could have done a little better.
I know I'm on my own here. Most people will tell you the Yankees were the best team before this trade, and now they're so loaded it's sickening. You can hear Yankees fans crowing. You can hear Red Sox fans surrendering. You can hear Yankee-loathers, like myself, asking “What's the point?” Most think the Yankees just bought the pennant.
Maybe this is just wishful, anti-Yankee thinking.
I think they paid for a pennant. I think they just bought a whole lot of headaches instead."
Shotgun,
Well said. The right side of their infield will be the worst in baseball defensively. They have no left handed pitching and a team full of guys swinging for the fences. I still say the RedSox are the team to beat because of their pitching. I am an O's fan and there is no way the O's or Jays will compete this year.
Well said. The right side of their infield will be the worst in baseball defensively. They have no left handed pitching and a team full of guys swinging for the fences. I still say the RedSox are the team to beat because of their pitching. I am an O's fan and there is no way the O's or Jays will compete this year.
