for your info., the first five presidents of the usa were freemasons, as have been the majority of presidents...the symbols on the dollar bill are masonic...where did you get the idea that masons are satantic, sounds like you traveled down the rode on a haystack to a revival meeting of some sort... what's up with you dude, thought you had your head on straight...do your own research before spouting out the tripe that freemasons are satanic!!!!
doc mercer, check out this website
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm
Washington, George - As General of the Armies of the colonies, he led the revolution which created American independence. As the first President of the United States, his leadership was crucial to establishing the 'tone' for the United States. His love of Freemasonry is documented by his close reliance upon other Masons in the execution of his duties. Following his death, his widow sent locks of his hair (a common practice of the time) to Masons throughout the country and such revered treasures were the object of great appreciation. To this day, a lock of his hair sent to the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts is carried in a golden urn preceding the entry of the Grand Master at the Annual Meeting of the Grand Lodge.
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm
Washington, George - As General of the Armies of the colonies, he led the revolution which created American independence. As the first President of the United States, his leadership was crucial to establishing the 'tone' for the United States. His love of Freemasonry is documented by his close reliance upon other Masons in the execution of his duties. Following his death, his widow sent locks of his hair (a common practice of the time) to Masons throughout the country and such revered treasures were the object of great appreciation. To this day, a lock of his hair sent to the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts is carried in a golden urn preceding the entry of the Grand Master at the Annual Meeting of the Grand Lodge.
Petre ...
Roman Catholic Archbishop Emanuel Milingo: “It is the task of Freemasons to lull Christians, especially priests, into believing that the Devil and his demons do not exist. Satan plays with priests like toys when they do not believe in him. After the last war bring young Freemasons were placed in seminaries around the world. These agents of Satan were waiting for their time to come. … The Freemason antichrists became priests for this purpose. They aim to take religious power throughout the world, just as they have taken economic and political power.” (Powers of Darkness, Powers of Light, Cornwell, 1991)
The following words issued by Cardinal Ratzinger were approved and ordered by John Paul II in November 1983: “The Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden.
Roman Catholic Archbishop Emanuel Milingo: “It is the task of Freemasons to lull Christians, especially priests, into believing that the Devil and his demons do not exist. Satan plays with priests like toys when they do not believe in him. After the last war bring young Freemasons were placed in seminaries around the world. These agents of Satan were waiting for their time to come. … The Freemason antichrists became priests for this purpose. They aim to take religious power throughout the world, just as they have taken economic and political power.” (Powers of Darkness, Powers of Light, Cornwell, 1991)
The following words issued by Cardinal Ratzinger were approved and ordered by John Paul II in November 1983: “The Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden.
Masonry is in reality, a Religion, and is the worship of Lucifer or of Satan himself! We can know this simply by examining their use of symbols. But of course, the Leaders of this seemingly benevolent Organization find it prudent to carefully hide the fact that they are satanic. Let us begin by reading what the great Masonic Leader Albert Pike had to say about Masonry in his famous book, Morals and Dogma:
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.
Ever wonder why the Freemasonry meetings and gatherings are in Total Secrecy? Did you know that their rituals dishonor the person and work of Jesus Christ and give glory to the Prince of Darkness. The Masonic lodge is Satan's darkroom for developing negatives in the hearts and minds of the lost and unenlightened. As a former Worshipful Master of a Masonic Lodge I am compelled to share and tell the absolute truth as my God would have me do.http://members.aol.com/masoncult/index.html
David Ovason, a noted astrologer, has written a book publised in 1999, entitled, The Secret Architecture of our Nation's Capital: The Masons and the Building of Washington, D.C. This book is not an anti-Mason book; in fact, a glowing forward to this book is written by none other than C. Fred Kleinknecht, 33 Degree, Sovereign Grand Commander, The Supreme Council, 33 Degree (Mother Council of the World), Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A., Washington, D.C. In other words, the conclusions of this book are highly thought of by one of the most important current Masons in the world today! Listen to what this book says about the two organizations of Freemasonry,
After speaking of the "cosmic astral journey in Masonic terms", Ovason speaks of the meaning of the more common symbols of Masonry. "... Bromwell injected a profound level of esotericism into the bland-seeming symbols used within the Lodges. These proliferate on the so-called tracing boards and carpets ... used by Master Masons to demonstrate Masonic symbols to the neophytes. When not used as an instrument of education, the tracing boards and carpets remain as symbols of the Lodge -- of the inner and outer way of the Craft." [Page 99] So, David Ovason admits that Masonry has both an "inner" [Invisible] and an "outer" [Visible] society. And, Albert Pike has boldly stated that the "neophytes" are deliberately taught untruths about the meaning of the symbols!
New Age author, Bill Cooper has this to say about these two fraternities, one within the other. "Most members of the Freemasons are not aware that the Illuminati practices what is known as 'secrets within secrets' or organizations within organizations." [Behold A Pale Horse, p. 79]
After speaking of the "cosmic astral journey in Masonic terms", Ovason speaks of the meaning of the more common symbols of Masonry. "... Bromwell injected a profound level of esotericism into the bland-seeming symbols used within the Lodges. These proliferate on the so-called tracing boards and carpets ... used by Master Masons to demonstrate Masonic symbols to the neophytes. When not used as an instrument of education, the tracing boards and carpets remain as symbols of the Lodge -- of the inner and outer way of the Craft." [Page 99] So, David Ovason admits that Masonry has both an "inner" [Invisible] and an "outer" [Visible] society. And, Albert Pike has boldly stated that the "neophytes" are deliberately taught untruths about the meaning of the symbols!
New Age author, Bill Cooper has this to say about these two fraternities, one within the other. "Most members of the Freemasons are not aware that the Illuminati practices what is known as 'secrets within secrets' or organizations within organizations." [Behold A Pale Horse, p. 79]
With all due respect ...
I get a kick out of watching religious types point out the errors in other religious types' belief systems. What makes the Freemasons more woo-hoo than the Catholics or the Muslims or the Hindus? For that matter, why not believe in astrology (at least we know that the stars do indeed exist) or psychics?
To be fair, though, this Freemasonry is far too cultish for most people's liking. A friend of mine was one years ago and to this day he won't tell me what went on in there. Who knows? Maybe they just sit around drinking Scotch and watching porn all day.
I get a kick out of watching religious types point out the errors in other religious types' belief systems. What makes the Freemasons more woo-hoo than the Catholics or the Muslims or the Hindus? For that matter, why not believe in astrology (at least we know that the stars do indeed exist) or psychics?
To be fair, though, this Freemasonry is far too cultish for most people's liking. A friend of mine was one years ago and to this day he won't tell me what went on in there. Who knows? Maybe they just sit around drinking Scotch and watching porn all day.
:hanging:
Patriot:
something to be said about that ...
Cheney had secret meetings with the Enron boys in the White House days before the scandal broke ... I'm glad Cheney did not do any "Careless Talking" as America sure has no right to know what went out in those meeting
Must be hard to be Lynne Cheney and know every morning that the nite before ya slept with the most corrupt politician in the history of this country as Cheney makes Clinton look like a candidate to be the next Pope
something to be said about that ...
Cheney had secret meetings with the Enron boys in the White House days before the scandal broke ... I'm glad Cheney did not do any "Careless Talking" as America sure has no right to know what went out in those meeting
Must be hard to be Lynne Cheney and know every morning that the nite before ya slept with the most corrupt politician in the history of this country as Cheney makes Clinton look like a candidate to be the next Pope
Patriot: to refresh ya ...
Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil. Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq's oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.
Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil. Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq's oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.
[size=-1]U.N. documents show that Halliburton's affiliates have had controversial dealings with the Iraqi regime during Cheney's tenure at the company and played a part in helping Saddam Hussein illegally pocket billions of dollars under the U.N.'s oil-for-food program. The Clinton administration blocked one deal Halliburton was trying to push through, because it was "not authorized under the oil-for-food deal," according to U.N. documents. That deal, between Halliburton subsidiary Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co. and Iraq, included agreements by the firm to sell nearly $1 million in spare parts, compressors and firefighting equipment to refurbish an offshore oil terminal, Khor al Amaya. Still, Halliburton used one of its foreign subsidiaries to sell Iraq the equipment it needed so the country could pump more oil, according to a report in the Washington Post in June 2001.[/size]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]The Halliburton subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., sold water and sewage treatment pumps, spare parts for oil facilities and pipeline equipment to Baghdad through French affiliates from the first half of 1997 to the summer of 2000, U.N. records show. Ingersoll Dresser Pump also signed contracts—later blocked by the United States—according to the Post, to help repair an Iraqi oil terminal that U.S.-led military forces destroyed in the Gulf War years earlier.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]Cheney's hard-line stance against Iraq on the campaign trail is hypocritical considering that during his tenure as chief executive of Halliburton, Cheney pushed the U.N. Security Council, after he became CEO, to end an 11-year embargo on sales of civilian goods, including oil related equipment, to Iraq. Cheney has said sanctions against countries like Iraq unfairly punish U.S. companies.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]During the 2000 presidential campaign, Cheney adamantly denied that under his leadership Halliburton did business with Iraq. While he acknowledged that his company did business with Libya and Iran through foreign subsidiaries, Cheney said, "Iraq's different." He claimed that he imposed a "firm policy" prohibiting any unit of Halliburton from trading with Iraq.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]"I had a firm policy that we wouldn't do anything in Iraq, even arrangements that were supposedly legal," Cheney said on the ABC-TV news program "This Week" on July 30, 2000. "We've not done any business in Iraq since U.N. sanctions were imposed on Iraq in 1990, and I had a standing policy that I wouldn't do that."[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]But Cheney's denials don't hold up. Halliburton played a major role in helping Iraq repair its oil fields during the mid-1990s in a way that allowed Saddam to siphon off funds from the oil-for-food program to fund a weapons program.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]As secretary of defense in the first Bush administration, Cheney helped to lead a multinational coalition against Iraq in the Persian Gulf War and to devise a comprehensive economic embargo to isolate Saddam Hussein's government. After Cheney was named chief executive of Halliburton in 1995, he promised to maintain a hard line against Baghdad.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]But that changed when it appeared that Halliburton was headed for a financial crisis in the mid-1990s. Cheney said sanctions against countries like Iraq were hurting corporations such as Halliburton.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]"We seem to be sanction-happy as a government," Cheney said at an energy conference in April 1996 and reported in the oil industry publication Petroleum Finance Week.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]"The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources where there are democratic governments," he observed during his conference presentation.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][size=-1]Sanctions make U.S. businesses "the bystander who gets hit when a train wreck occurs," Cheney told Petroleum Finance Week. "While virtually every other country sees the need for sanctions against Iraq and Saddam Hussein's regime there, Cheney sees general agreement that the measures have not been very effective despite their having most of the international community's support. An individual country's embargo, such as that of the United States against Iran, has virtually no effect since the target country simply signs a contract with a non- U.S. business," the publication reported.[/size][/font]
both are correct
From what I know, all degrees of freemasonry up to Master are not Satanic, and in fact many freemasons are also committed Christians.
However, Doc is correct in saying that aspects of Satanism exist within masonry. This is predominantly within the "secret society within the secret society" - the degrees above Master such as the Degree of the Knights Templar.
Many masons go down a few of these degrees only to resign when they consider what they are doing contradicts basic Christian principles.
From what I know, all degrees of freemasonry up to Master are not Satanic, and in fact many freemasons are also committed Christians.
However, Doc is correct in saying that aspects of Satanism exist within masonry. This is predominantly within the "secret society within the secret society" - the degrees above Master such as the Degree of the Knights Templar.
Many masons go down a few of these degrees only to resign when they consider what they are doing contradicts basic Christian principles.
