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Jan. 16, 2004. 01:00 AM

Ontario to study licence options
Secure drivers' permits called a must
Could include fingerprints or eye scans


RICHARD BRENNAN AND ROBERT BENZIE
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU
The Ontario government is spending up to $50,000 to study ways to make drivers' licences harder to forge, including looking at incorporating fingerprints or eye scans.

Liberal Transportation Minister Harinder Takhar told reporters yesterday this initiative was being taken because of increased security concerns arising out of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the United States.

Takhar insisted Ontario wasn't being pressured into it by the United States, but said rather it was a co-ordinated effort by the American Association of Motor Vehicles and the Canadian Council of Motor Transport Administrators.

"So far the ministry has just an RFP (request for proposal) out to look at the options that are available to us in terms of what new technologies are available to improve the safety and security features," he said.

"In the States, they are also looking at these standards at this point," the minister said.

"Everybody is looking at these standards ... after 9/11 everybody wants to improve the safety standards," he added.

"Our current contract (for drivers' licences) expires in 2005, so we are just exploring the options," said Takhar, who dismissed suggestions that using biometrics could be seen as aninvasion of privacy.

"We will consider all the options and we will consult our stakeholders (licensed drivers) and the public ... and only then will we move," he said.

Premier Dalton McGuinty was noncommittal on the scheme yesterday. "I just heard about this. As I understand it, there is a request for proposal out.

"Am I interested in public safety? Damned right I'm interested in public safety. This is just something that somebody's going to present to us, as I understand it, for our consideration," he said.

"(But) I haven't even seen the proposal so I have nothing to consider in front of me."

NDP MPP Peter Kormos (Niagara Centre) blasted the fingerprint plan as "Stalinist, Soviet-style intrusiveness. It's nuts. The technology is still primitive, it's theoretical only.

"I mean, heck, why don't they use those callipers that measure body weight and measure fat compared to body mass. That would be about as scientific as their proposal for doing irises and fingerprints."

Meanwhile, Takhar said dollars generated by bringing back photo radar would flow to Ontario's municipalities and not be used to tackle the province's massive deficit.

"The money from this actually goes to the municipality; it doesn't stay with the province," Takhar said before going into a cabinet meeting, Canadian Press reports.

Earlier this week, McGuinty suggested photo radar might be a viable option to generate revenue to help Ontario manage its $5.6 billion deficit.

During the recent provincial election, the Liberals said nothing about using electronic fingerprints or eye scans for identification.
 

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I knew we would finally find some sane people up in Canada...was beginning to worry there for a while after reading Xpanda's posts.
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Looks like Martin is already a huge improvement over that marble-mouthed Chretien.

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Paul Martin is our Prime Minister ... that's federal. Dalton McGuinty is our Premier, which is provincial. Transportation (licensing) is a provincial matter. Nothing whatsoever to do with Martin.

And, wow, I can't believe the number of people who are totally okay with the idea of being fingerprinted. You guys DID read that the Americans are considering the same thing?? I thought right-wingers were supposed to be opposed to the idea of big government, and its control and influence over the populace? I don't get it.
 

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Okay, this is ridiculous. Just had a boo since I wasn't certain, but it seems that no fingerprinting is required to purchase a gun. Somehow, this is unconstitutional since y'all got the right to bear arms. So, if I am to understand correctly, it is the position of the US that asking its citizens to consider having their fingerprints taken when they buy a gun would be cause for mass protest, but hell, if you want to drive a car, you'd better bend over for Big Brother?

Can nobody else see the bizzarro-ness of this?
 

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XPanda,
This is exactly why would should have let them imbreds in the South win the Civil War. Now we have a bunch of imbred, pistol-waiving, hillbillies in Washington making bass-ackwards laws & policies.
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Xpanda,

I'm not sure where you are getting your facts from. The main ID most people have in the US is their driver's license. I believe most states require a photo...not sure if all do. Driver's licenses have been relatively easy to duplicate and misuse, so there was talk of some sort of foolproof national ID card replacing everything...but as of now it is only talk.
 

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XPanda - Cars kill many, many more people each year than guns do.

And I had to get fingerprinted to get my handgun permit. Nearly all states require you to get fingerprinted to get a handgun permit.

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Senditin: the article I posted claims that the US is working with Canada on this, and is also considering such a move. I realize that this is not a current condition.

Floyd: what is the ratio of intentional killing by cars vs. intentional killing by handgun? Glad to hear that some states require fingerprinting to obtain a gun -- although I think they should go the extra step and make it a federal requirement. That, and a gun registry might be a good idea, as well.
 

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I think there is a waiting period for a backround check when purchasing a gun as well.
 

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xpanda,

You don't need fingerprints to buy a gun. Only for a concealed carry permit. However, if it is required for a driver's license then by default you'll need it to buy a gun (unless you buy from a friend or street thug).
 

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