Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

[ProPokerPlayer]

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. No one in their right mind would say such things.

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but it is no hoax, no exaggeration. John Holdren really did say those things, and this report contains the proof. Below you will find photographs, scans, and transcriptions of pages in the book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977 by John Holdren and his close colleagues Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich. The scans and photos are provided to supply conclusive evidence that the words attributed to Holdren are unaltered and accurately transcribed.

 

[rolltide]

he certainly has some radical, elitist views that he expressed in Ecoscience. We don't have to guess on where he stands on personal freedoms and government's interference into people's lives


Direct quotes from John Holdren's Ecoscience
Page 837: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Compulsory abortions would be legal[/FONT]

Page 786: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Single mothers should have their babies taken away by the government; or they could be forced to have abortions[/FONT]

Page 787-8: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Mass sterilization of humans though drugs in the water supply is OK as long as it doesn't harm livestock[/FONT]

Page 786-7: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]The government could control women's reproduction by either sterilizing them or implanting mandatory long-term birth control[/FONT]

Page 838: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]The kind of people who cause "social deterioration" can be compelled to not have children[/FONT]

Page 838: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Nothing is wrong or illegal about the government dictating family size[/FONT]

Page 942-3: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]A "Planetary Regime" should control the global economy and dictate by force the number of children allowed to be born[/FONT]

Page 917: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]We will need to surrender national sovereignty to an armed international police force[/FONT]

Page 749: [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Pro-family and pro-birth attitudes are caused by ethnic chauvinism[/FONT]

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I for one am not surprised that he got the appointment. Also, I have to admit that I never heard of John Holdren before today.

 

[meltdown]

It's a sorry fact that the lowest levels of intelligence, work ethic, and criminal minds are reproducing at a much higher rate in America. This cycle of poverty is being enabled by a government that has trained them to do nothing to improve their own situations. Cradle to grave welfare recipients will continue to multiply as these next generation of leeches get knocked up at 15 years old, dropout of school, and repeat the cycle of welfare and poverty.

 

[rolltide]

It's a sorry fact that the lowest levels of intelligence, work ethic, and criminal minds are reproducing at a much higher rate in America.

then you certainly subscribe to Mengele's...errrrr, Holdren's belief that the Govt should dictate family size and who can or cannot have children. interesting. btw, I know single mom's having children has increased in the last few decades but never saw the statistic that criminal minds or folks with low work ethic are doing the same.

then again, our speaker of the house believes that contraception and abortion is vital to the american economy but cannot explain how or why.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Its obvious the people who are educated and have some intelligence understand they cant keep having baby after baby, nor i suppose do many of them want to as they would like to enjoy the few kids they do have, and enjoy not always having to support a baby. Now take a look at places in Africa, or the middle east. Their birth rate is much higher the our own. Is this smart? Not given their situation it isnt. And look at our own situation here. The population growth here isnt by your average working class middle American, its either an immigrant or someone who isnt financially sound to raise a baby. And dare i say, that i would be willing to bet that you have more dumb people breeding that you do have intelligent people doing so, i know not PC but fuck PC. It is what it is. These dumb ass people breeding like fucking rabbits are killing the genes of human species. So while what this guy talks about is obviously total nonsense or taken out of context, the reality is still what it is. People need to curb the population through their own free will not by someone telling them they have to, as nothing is more of a threat to freedom then over population and nothing will dumb as down faster then a bunch of IQ challenged animals breeding the species out of relevance making the grab for freedom that much easier for a totalitarian.

 

[rolltide]

sorry fletch but you are really missing the boat on this one. government does not have the authority to regulate family size, nor should they. the global elite love the idea because it's easier to control a small population than a large population, but forced abortions is not the answer. do i wish the poor and uneducated had enough sense not to reproduce, or at least do so in manageable numbers? yes, of course, but it doesn't mean the govt can step in and mandate this.

don't even go to the convenient words "taken out of context" card either as this lunatic wrote a fucking book for all to see. one nice excerpt, which I guess you'll agree with, is below...

It is often argued that the right to have children is so personal that the government should not regulate it. In an ideal society, no doubt the state should leave family size and composition solely to the desires of the parents. In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?

I'd love for a staunch pro-choicer to defend this potential policy. how is this "pro-choice" to regulate the number of children a family can have?

 

[rolltide]

in case you're interested in more direct quotes from our Czar's textbook...

One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men. The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.

If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children, and if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility

 

[fletchisrhsm]

sorry fletch but you are really missing the boat on this one. government does not have the authority to regulate family size, nor should they. the global elite love the idea because it's easier to control a small population than a large population, but forced abortions is not the answer. do i wish the poor and uneducated had enough sense not to reproduce, or at least do so in manageable numbers? yes, of course, but it doesn't mean the govt can step in and mandate this.

don't even go to the convenient words "taken out of context" card either as this lunatic wrote a fucking book for all to see. one nice excerpt, which I guess you'll agree with, is below...

It is often argued that the right to have children is so personal that the government should not regulate it. In an ideal society, no doubt the state should leave family size and composition solely to the desires of the parents. In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?

I'd love for a staunch pro-choicer to defend this potential policy. how is this "pro-choice" to regulate the number of children a family can have?

On the contrary, you are missing the boat or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. Where did i ever condone or say or repeat that government had any right to enforce any of this??? Show me where? Heres the thing tide, i was making a point on an issue that i think is very important, and that point is controlling the birth rate but not through the state. That is where the similarities end.

My point calls for personal responsibility to those people who have trouble with keeping a rubber on. I was making another argument for a problem that exists and it has nothing to with opinions, if you just have an elementry education level, you can add, you can too see the potential nightmare we face. Look at the birth rate of the world. Through terrific medication we have saved people from early death and thus they are living longer. All the while the population has grown 6X since 1900 when it took us a few hundred thousand years just to get to 1 billion, we now have over 6 in just over 100 years. Do the math, something has to change, and my point is it has to start with the individual, not the state. So your half cocked rebuttal is clearly out in left field.

 

[gtc08]

wow, i cant believe i agree with rolltide for once.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

wow, i cant believe i agree with rolltide for once.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[rolltide]

c'mon fletch how am i missing the boat when I clearly stated "do i wish the poor and uneducated had enough sense not to reproduce, or at least do so in manageable numbers? yes, of course". But people are dumb as shit and sterilizing people through their water supply should not be the answer. But with out new science czar it's a core belief

of course even I need to rethink if I'm right when i see GTC backing me on this.

seriously, fletch, read the freaking quotes from HIS BOOK. This is not taken out of context it's verbatim. The man is a kook and a eugenicist and is now the damn Science Czar? not good

 

[fletchisrhsm]

c'mon fletch how am i missing the boat when I clearly stated "do i wish the poor and uneducated had enough sense not to reproduce, or at least do so in manageable numbers? yes, of course". But people are dumb as shit and sterilizing people through their water supply should not be the answer. But with out new science czar it's a core belief

of course even I need to rethink if I'm right when i see GTC backing me on this.

seriously, fletch, read the freaking quotes from HIS BOOK. This is not taken out of context it's verbatim. The man is a kook and a eugenicist and is now the damn Science Czar? not good

Like i said in my first post:

"So while what this guy talks about is obviously total nonsense or taken out of context, the reality is still what it is"

So he is talking total nonsense, this is why i put "OR" between the two. I think your misunderstanding my point here. Im not in favor of his nomination im just simply stating that the problem he points out is legitimate. And its one, nobody talks about. How he plans on fixing this situation isnt something i agree with as stated also in my first post:

"People need to curb the population through their own free will not by someone telling them they have to.."

So unless peopkle have trouble with math, you cant disagree that the math points out that we are facing trouble with this over population. That is unless you have an alternative agenda, and that being a religious one who frowns upon birth control. And i wouldnt worry too much about this appointment, afterall what does the "Science Czar" do anyway? Advise which text books to buy?

 

[SayHeyKid]

Reasons like this are why the 2nd ammendment exists. Throughout history anti-social personalities always get into positions of power and do their very best to control every facet of your life. There is no bigger tyranny than the government controlling your family.

 

[barman]

Until this cat's ideas posed back in 1977 are embraced by at least 60% of the US Congress (or 51% if Obama himself is on board), anyone here losing more than say, 30 seconds of their life to pondering how it may fit into our nation's future is in serious need of some fresh brain stimulation.

 

[barman]

FLETCH astutely notes the urgent need for us to - as individuals and collectively through our local governments - aggressively educate women of all ages about the tremendous benefits that come from either postponing childbirth(s) or passing them by entirely.

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Until this cat's ideas posed back in 1977 are embraced by at least 60% of the US Congress (or 51% if Obama himself is on board), anyone here losing more than say, 30 seconds of their life to pondering how it may fit into our nation's future is in serious need of some fresh brain stimulation.

Boy are you behind on the times....1st of all u say "until' like u know they dont have that many ready to support it right now.
2nd ...Population control is a HUGE part of the Climate Change crowds agenda already
3rd....When in the hell does this Congress KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE PASSING???? Unread bills and bills with whole sections reserved and left blank to fill in later?????

You need to wake up, this shit is happening. They are taking over this country and handing its resources over to world government. They have already stolen all the money now all they need is total control over the people.
Now here is the part nobody seems to grasp....They dont want people who know anything about true freedom. Thats y they are filling this country with immigrants from other countries. They will have no use at all for you and me....At some point in the very near future you and i will have to join forces to fight these people or we will die separately.

 

[rolltide]

the urgent need for us to - as individuals and collectively through our local governments - aggressively educate women of all ages about the tremendous benefits that come from either postponing childbirth(s) or passing them by entirely.

we are all a bit more stupid for reading this senseless run-on sentence of drivel.

^<<^

 

[rolltide]

Until this cat's ideas posed back in 1977 are embraced by at least 60% of the US Congress (or 51% if Obama himself is on board), anyone here losing more than say, 30 seconds of their life to pondering how it may fit into our nation's future is in serious need of some fresh brain stimulation.

being that none of these 23 czars have been given potentially extreme power without congressional approval I'd suggest you at least spend 60 seconds, between tokes, pondering it

 

[barman]

PPP bleats: Boy are you behind on the times....1st of all u say "until' like u know they dont have that many ready to support it right now.

Bar: Cool. Name six now and then we'll collectively figure out the remaining 290

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PPP: You need to wake up, this shit is happening. They are taking over this country and handing its resources over to world government. They have already stolen all the money now all they need is total control over the people.

Bar: "All' the money? Are you sure?

PPP: Now here is the part nobody seems to grasp....They dont want people who know anything about true freedom. Thats y they are filling this country with immigrants from other countries. They will have no use at all for you and me....At some point in the very near future you and i will have to join forces to fight these people or we will die separately.

Bar: okey dokey.....so now we're back to your rap about how They will be killing all my freedom loving friends and family in the streets of my community.

What day? When? Where? I want to be sure and be out of town when They roll through with their tanks.