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Dave wrote:

A Bibi vs. Barry comparison.

Obama smoked Ganja, Netanyahu smoked terrorists.

Just a casual read of Dreams From My Father – and how it was written – show the President of the United States to have been a lazy, boastful, vain, disrespectful, sullen, pot-smoking narcissist who played basketball at the most exclusive private school in Hawaii, got high kicking back on the beach, and repeatedly blew off his book deadline after having spent the huge advance money. His brother, Mark Obama Neh-Des-AND-jo, lived in obscurity and utter poverty in Kenya, utterly ignored and unaided by his brother, The President of the United States of America.

Bibi Netanyahu was described by his teachers as courteous, polite, helpful, responsible, punctual, friendly, disciplined, cheerful, brave, active and obedient. After growing up in Pennsylvania, The Leader of the Free World returned to Israel, joined the IDF as a Special Forces commando, was part of the team that rescued the hostages aboard Sabena flight 571 – during which he was shot in the shoulder – then went back and fought along the Suez Canal in the Yom Kippur war before returning to America to get his degrees from both Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. HIS brother, Yonatan Netanyahu, was the only Israeli commando killed during the rescue of 100 Israeli hostages in the Raid on Entebbe on July 4th, 1976.

Bibi, you know, the chickenshit -- rescues his people when they are held hostage – PERSONALLY rescues them – and stands arm in arm with world leaders against the endless, savage, Islamic murders of Jews and all civilized people.

Barry, goes golfing while hostages are being murdered – PERSONALLY goes golfing – and will not so much say the words “Islamic Terrorists” or “Jews” as our time for chickenshit posturing and preening runs out as fast as the nuclear centrifuges spinning in Iran.

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You wondered:

Seems like a lot of other nations do this tough talk thing and united states is spending time dropping drones everywhere.

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To which I responded:

The US is the leader in the fight against global terror. Is this the point you are asserting?
Let's delve into this Vit, because it's a very interesting topic where you might find us in rare agreement.

In another post I continued:

I'll start without you Vit....

For global terror networks like al Queda and State sponsors of terror the US is the #1 target. Israel is generally the second target. Among the Iranians they definitely are the second target. So we are holding negotiations our congress has already said they will not allow to become law (thank God for some sanity in DC) with crazed people who lie while breathing and who want to kill us all dead.

Obama is part of a MASSIVE US security apparatus that exists with or without and before and after him. IOW we target global jihadis regardless of his say so. The programs are in place. His voice matters but there are many others in the mix.

It's slightly different for Israel. The ideology of the enemy is the same, but the aspirations of the killers not always the same as those who target the US. Palestinians attack Israel out of 'nationalistic' aims. This of course is all inventive poppycock as Palestinians are no different than Egyptians or Jordanians, or other Arabs. The ultimate goal of all jihadi driven groups in the end is world domination.

Israel's fight is different than ours as it is on the front line of the jihad in a far worse neighborhood. And while it is of course unpalatable the US can withstand a large terror attack while Israel might be destroyed by one. Netanyahu and Obama have a common enemy. Bibi grew up with it as Israel has been surrounded by bellicose enemies bent on its destruction since its 1948 rebirth. Obama's much slower on the uptake regarding the realities of the world. He ran his campaign on 'war fatigue' by telling the masses what they wanted to hear. All well and good for him getting elected. But it didn't stop the al Queda terror mindset or the armageddon driven states like Iran from wanting to destroy us.

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I put some effort into this post. I would like your thoughts in at least a few sentences. Yep, I know this is high-level shit here, above the usual food fighting. So let's see what you have. And no mentions of Bush please.

Anyone else, feel free.....
 

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You wondered:

Seems like a lot of other nations do this tough talk thing and united states is spending time dropping drones everywhere.

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To which I responded:

The US is the leader in the fight against global terror. Is this the point you are asserting?
Let's delve into this Vit, because it's a very interesting topic where you might find us in rare agreement.

In another post I continued:

I'll start without you Vit....

For global terror networks like al Queda and State sponsors of terror the US is the #1 target. Israel is generally the second target. Among the Iranians they definitely are the second target. So we are holding negotiations our congress has already said they will not allow to become law (thank God for some sanity in DC) with crazed people who lie while breathing and who want to kill us all dead.

Obama is part of a MASSIVE US security apparatus that exists with or without and before and after him. IOW we target global jihadis regardless of his say so. The programs are in place. His voice matters but there are many others in the mix.

It's slightly different for Israel. The ideology of the enemy is the same, but the aspirations of the killers not always the same as those who target the US. Palestinians attack Israel out of 'nationalistic' aims. This of course is all inventive poppycock as Palestinians are no different than Egyptians or Jordanians, or other Arabs. The ultimate goal of all jihadi driven groups in the end is world domination.

Israel's fight is different than ours as it is on the front line of the jihad in a far worse neighborhood. And while it is of course unpalatable the US can withstand a large terror attack while Israel might be destroyed by one. Netanyahu and Obama have a common enemy. Bibi grew up with it as Israel has been surrounded by bellicose enemies bent on its destruction since its 1948 rebirth. Obama's much slower on the uptake regarding the realities of the world. He ran his campaign on 'war fatigue' by telling the masses what they wanted to hear. All well and good for him getting elected. But it didn't stop the al Queda terror mindset or the armageddon driven states like Iran from wanting to destroy us.

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I put some effort into this post. I would like your thoughts in at least a few sentences. Yep, I know this is high-level shit here, above the usual food fighting. So let's see what you have. And no mentions of Bush please.

Anyone else, feel free.....

So the only solution is all out War with Iran, in which EVERYONE loses, the US, Israel, The Whole Middle East, and the rest of the world? Rather than trying to come to some sort of agreement that keeps Israel and the rest of the world safer from Iran coming up with a nuke, as the P5 +1 is attempting to do??? You negotiate with your enemies. Come to a realistic agreement, that can be enforced as best you can. It's how you prevent wars, and how you end wars.
Luckily The POTUS directs Foreign Policy and when/if the P5+1 comes to an agreement with Iran, it will be ratified, and the World, including Israel, will be a safer place. What the Repuplican Senate tried to do today is a Disgrace, and extremely UnAmerican, and luckily has no teeth.
If there is no agreement, and talks are ceased, it only speeds up Iran's path to the bomb, unmonitored, unchecked, like it was before we stopped the clock with talks. Everyone suffers with that outcome.
 

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So the only solution is all out War with Iran, in which EVERYONE loses, the US, Israel, The Whole Middle East, and the rest of the world? Rather than trying to come to some sort of agreement that keeps Israel and the rest of the world safer from Iran coming up with a nuke, as the P5 +1 is attempting to do??? You negotiate with your enemies. Come to a realistic agreement, that can be enforced as best you can. It's how you prevent wars, and how you end wars.
Luckily The POTUS directs Foreign Policy and when/if the P5+1 comes to an agreement with Iran, it will be ratified, and the World, including Israel, will be a safer place. What the Repuplican Senate tried to do today is a Disgrace, and extremely UnAmerican, and luckily has no teeth.
If there is no agreement, and talks are ceased, it only speeds up Iran's path to the bomb, unmonitored, unchecked, like it was before we stopped the clock with talks. Everyone suffers with that outcome.

And that is why any agreement that is reached will fail. Iran has been playing Obama like a Stradivarius.

Time is on their side. The longer they hold out the closer they come to reaching their goal of a nuke.

And if push comes to shove Israel will take matters into their own hands assisted by Arab nations.

Iran does not fear a president that draws red lines with invisible ink.
 

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So the only solution is all out War with Iran, in which EVERYONE loses, the US, Israel, The Whole Middle East, and the rest of the world? Rather than trying to come to some sort of agreement that keeps Israel and the rest of the world safer from Iran coming up with a nuke, as the P5 +1 is attempting to do??? You negotiate with your enemies. Come to a realistic agreement, that can be enforced as best you can. It's how you prevent wars, and how you end wars.
Luckily The POTUS directs Foreign Policy and when/if the P5+1 comes to an agreement with Iran, it will be ratified, and the World, including Israel, will be a safer place. What the Repuplican Senate tried to do today is a Disgrace, and extremely UnAmerican, and luckily has no teeth.
If there is no agreement, and talks are ceased, it only speeds up Iran's path to the bomb, unmonitored, unchecked, like it was before we stopped the clock with talks. Everyone suffers with that outcome.

Why do you have to come in here?
 

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Vitterd stop participating in dead end feuds with people that go nowhere and give this a few minutes of your time.
 

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QUOTE=Scott L;11010936]Vitterd stop participating in dead end feuds with people that go nowhere and give this a few minutes of your time.[/QUOTE]

I'm getting there. I will respond. I was asking questions based on my observations....there is a reason I don't get involved in isreal and netanyahu vs obama debates....I simply don't follow or know enough about it. That is the reason I posed the questions....to hear opinions...but I will do some homework and respond
 

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QUOTE=Scott L;11010936]Vitterd stop participating in dead end feuds with people that go nowhere and give this a few minutes of your time.

[/QUOTE]I'm getting there. I will respond. I was asking questions based on my observations....there is a reason I don't get involved in isreal and netanyahu vs obama debates....I simply don't follow or know enough about it. That is the reason I posed the questions....to hear opinions...but I will do some homework and respond[/QUOTE]

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OK .... If you want you can leave Israel completely out of your response and make an argument that America is the leader in the fight against global jihad and/or that Obama has done a good job fighting terror. It may not be a complete picture, but it can still be done without your sentiments regarding Israel, Israel's leadership, or George Bush.

As far as Iran goes I try not to complicate simple things. They're targeting for death those they consider enemies all over the world. People already forget their plot to blow up a restaurant near Georgetown U that would have been an attack on the US and the Saudi foreign minister.
Iran is seeking nukes for military use. They don't need 'peaceful nuclear energy' obviously. Thus the negotiations are a charade and they can't be trusted. Many here try to make it about something else but only a fool denies Iran's aim to wipe Israel off the map.
 

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You don't own the place. Of course you can't engage in honest debate. Next will come the name calling.

With you the name calling comes first. But at least I have enough Sechel not to post in your Iran thread about the senators. So far.....
 

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With you the name calling comes first. But at least I have enough Sechel not to post in your Iran thread about the senators. So far.....

You can post wherever you want, as can I. You asked for feedback from anybody, I gave it. Without any rancor.
 

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Spammy the Sewer Rat actually believes the Kenyan's 'agreement' will prevent Iran from developing nukes.

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Spammy the Sewer Rat actually believes the Kenyan's 'agreement' will prevent Iran from developing nukes.

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And the name calling nonsense starts. You should apologize to Scott for ruining what he tried to keep as a discussion only thread.
 

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And the name calling nonsense starts. You should apologize to Scott for ruining what he tried to keep as a discussion only thread.

Yeah, as if a screeching child like you could ever abide by anything at that high of a level without Google.
 

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16 articles in a row, tomorrow while you're sweeping the food court SPAMMY.

You are now ruing your own thread with the name calling, which I'll save for other threads. Are you capable of having an honest discussion anymore without it, in a thread where you ask for discussion?
 

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Yeah, as if a screeching child like you could ever abide by anything at that high of a level without Google.

I use google to learn things about topics that interest me. You and your internet buds use it to stalk somebody on internet posts from a decade ago, and laugh. What was that about a screeching child?
 

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The thread was ruined the second you hit 'Submit'. Every thread you touch turns to shit instantly.
 

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The thread was ruined the second you hit 'Submit'. Every thread you touch turns to shit instantly.

It was ruined the minute you and Casper started the name calling, as you always do. You are incapable of little else.
 

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