FOR SOUNDS OF SILENCE AND JCAMBERT.

[wilheim]

The mods here cannot order anyone to stay out of any particular thread, however we can as a favor to all the posters here in the CBB Forum, request you to leave each other alone. I am doing that now for the good of the fourum, and all its contributers. Please stop this inter-thread sniping. You guys are way better than that. Lets just pick some winners, OK. BTW. this goes for any other feuding handicappers, just do your own thing, and let others do theirs. PLEASE.

Thanks form all the Moderators, and I am sure most of the posters here at the Rx. Wil.

[This message was edited by wilheim on March 28, 2004 at 06:30 PM.]

 

[SoundofSilence]

Seeing as I'm avoiding saying anything insulting, simply posting his documented record -- is TheRx that much against accountability? 10,000 "Game of the Year" and "Super Locks of the Century" a week are ok, but actually holding someone accountable for the record they post is not?

Simply a question -- is a gambling forum that doesn't promote accountability all that credible? This started with him bashing some of my selections a long time ago -- but I got over that. Now I'm simply posting his documented record for everyone to see, and they can make a decision on whether to follow his plays or not. If someone is afraid to be held accountable for the plays they post, then why are they posting?

 

[DonMarco]

will

can you please move the chucky lucky thread in the rubber room without deleating anything.

appreciate it.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

SOS: I understand what you are saying about records etc but a better question is why do so many obsess over how others are doing instead of worrying about their own business?

 

[Co-Captain]

EGD,

That is also a good question. But, I was one who some people made a big deal about what my record was instead of looking at the information and work that I was freely providing them. Funny thing it was happening just when I was winning alot. But because they made a Big deal about records, and I was constantly getting bugged about it. Now I make sure I post it, and over post it all the time. They wanted it that bad, than I am taking every opportunity to give it to them. Heres one, GOM PLAYS 12-2-1. Believe it or not, but I hate doing that seems ridiculous because I go by what my bank account says and not what my record says.

But SOS, does have a point about keeping this place real, and credible. I mean, do we need every Tom, Dick, and TRUELY, in here. I mean especially if they are creating Alias, and Padding their records. How is that going to affect the credibility of this place. Who can you trust to help everyone make $$$. That is why now I see a big point of posting my record. JMO. Aloha CC.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on March 28, 2004 at 04:49 PM.]

 

[Anonymous1]

survival of the fittest...if as a reader, lurker, sometimes commentor...or whatever...it must be entirely up to the individual reader to decide who's who in the rx...no different than the scamdicappers out in the world of sports...you get burned...you learn to be more diligent in your analysis...review or use of ANY SOURCE FOR THE SLECTION OF A WAGER is upon the INDIVIDUAL PERIOD...if somebody wants to keep a record...so beit...you...as the reader need to verify FOR YOURSELF...if not..you are the JERK...and btw...would any of you know 10% of the posters in here if they walked by you on a sunny day...so move on people...take responsibility for your own actions...win lose or draw...

 

[wilheim]

Thanks for the replies. SOS please understand I am solely suggesting that everyone try to get along. You are more than welcome to open a thread, and keep any records you want to, in fact it would be most appreciated. As you can see by my first post I am only asking for some courtesy, no one is threatening to ban, or censure anyone. When it comes to accountability why would we not want to promote it? Like you said this all started with Jcambert bashing some of your selections a long time ago, that is the kind of thing The Rx. would like to see stop. Why not just open a thread of your own, and report any descrepancies you see in other poster's record keeping, if you like. No one can complain about that.

Thanks and best of luck to all. wil.

 

[FairWarning]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EveryGamblersDream:
SOS: I understand what you are saying about records etc but a better question is why do so many obsess over how others are doing instead of worrying about their own business?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree, if it were just that easy.

 

[SoundofSilence]

FairWarning:

Because there are people out there betting real money on these selections, and to tell people you are a "professional gambler" and that you make money doing this every year means that you should be prepared to be accountable for your record. I'm not bashing him, not calling him names, not saying "your picks suck!". I'm simply keeping a documented record of his selections -- why anyone would be so scared of this I do not know, but it would certainly worry me if a gambling forum dissuaded people from being accountable.

Go check out the Newbies forum and you'll see people helping out those that were scammed by smoke and mirror operations that claim "70% win rates" and what-not. While I realize that they are touts and selling a service, while jcambert is not, people may still be believing these claims and making real money wagers on them without doing the research. Would that be smart? Certainly not -- but one line of me posting a YTD record of someone can certainly make people aware.


Wilheim:

I have no problems doing it in my own thread -- I looked at doing that as more of an attack than just replying in his threads though.

 

[fivedoorsdown]

HEAD MASTER WIL.
CAN WE GO TO RECESS NOW.
THANKS YOUR FAVORITE 1ST GRADE STUDENTS

 

[FairWarning]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sound of Silence:
FairWarning:

Because there are people out there betting real money on these selections, and to tell people you are a "professional gambler" and that you make money doing this every year means that you should be prepared to be accountable for your record. I'm not bashing him, not calling him names, not saying "your picks suck!". I'm simply keeping a documented record of his selections -- why anyone would be so scared of this I do not know, but it would certainly worry me if a gambling forum dissuaded people from being accountable.

Go check out the Newbies forum and you'll see people helping out those that were scammed by smoke and mirror operations that claim "70% win rates" and what-not. While I realize that they are touts and selling a service, while jcambert is not, people may still be believing these claims and making real money wagers on them without doing the research. Would that be smart? Certainly not -- but one line of me posting a YTD record of someone can certainly make people aware.


Wilheim:

I have no problems doing it in my own thread -- I looked at doing that as more of an attack than just replying in his threads though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SOS I agree, but it has seemed to get worse the last month or so. I know I don't have the time to check all the records. I don't post picks every day. I do like some of the writeups that people have. I believe over the long term that there will be certain ones more trusted than others. I guess the only difference is the people here are not paying for the picks from the posters instead of paying for ATS or Alatex. Gambling is always buyer-beware, thats why I value the write-ups vs coattailing.

Believe me, I have lost real money during the tourney. It is my fault only. I guess I can take the responsibility for it over others who feel the need to change their record. No hard feelings.

Good luck.

 

[SoundofSilence]

And in all honesty, like I mentioned before, me deciding to document jcambert was mainly due to him acting like quite an ass over on the Other Sports forum for a few years, ridiculing others picks and anyone that had a dissenting opinion than his, and more or less putting his foot in his mouth on a couple of big occasions. When this happened, he always fell back on "Oh yeah, well I'm a professional gambler and do this for a living -- you probably live in your mother's basement" type remarks -- so I decided to hold him accountable for his statements and document his record.

It's much easier to respect the guys who do well and don't talk a lot of crap. I'm sitting on a documented 252-205-10, +96.8 units record on a 1-5 unit scale this year in college hoops... But you rarely seem me make a writeup or analysis and then turn around and chastise anyone for ever questioning me.

As for the tourney... Straight bets I'm up a couple of units, but on my futures I got hit real bad by certain close games that just didn't fall my way. But, I'm sitting on UConn +800 and Big East +400 to win it all, so I can either ride it out and be up 4-5 units, or hedge away and probably break even.

Good luck on the rest of the tournament.