Feds consider searches of blogs, message boards for terrorism

[barman]

heh...Another example of government Dog chasing it's own tail.

May have to resurrect the use of an old tagline some friends and I used to put at the bottom of all our emails in the months after 9/11/01

"bombs, invasion, Iraq, Osama, fertilzer, McVeigh, World Trade Center, war, GW Bush, soldiers, kill, Kosovo, Oklahoma City, Air Force Base, stop reading my fucking email you fascist federal fucks"

 

[artiesliver]

To be honest, I already thought they were doing this. Not surprised. Hopefully, the new Administration can reclaim some of our civil liberties.

 

[nimue77]

WASHINGTON — The Homeland Security Department may soon start scouring the Internet to find blogs and message boards that terrorists use to plan attacks in the USA. The effort comes as researchers are seeing terrorists increasingly use the Internet to plan bombings, recruit members and spread propaganda. “Blogging and message boards have played a substantial role in allowing communication among those who would do the United States harm,” the department said in a recent notice.
Homeland Security officials are looking for companies to search the Internet for postings “in near to real-time which precede” an attack, particularly a bombing. Bombings are “of great concern” because terrorists can easily get materials and make an improvised-explosive device (IED), the department said. “There is a lot of IED information generated by terrorists everywhere — websites, forums, people telling you where to buy fertilizer and how to plant IEDs,” said Hsinchun Chen, director of the University of Arizona’s Artificial Intelligence Lab. Chen’s “Dark Web” research project has found 500,000,000 terrorist pages and postings, including tens of thousands that discuss IEDs.

Chen and others aren’t sure how helpful blogs and message boards will be in uncovering planned attacks.
“I just can’t envision a scenario where somebody posts to a message board, ‘I’m getting ready to launch an IED at this location,’ and the government will find that,” said terrorism analyst Matt Devost. A lot of postings about attacks are “fantasy, almost role-playing,” Devost said.
Internet searches are used routinely by government agencies, such as the Defense Department, in gathering intelligence, said Chip Ellis of the Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism.
The searches use methods similar to a Google query and can be helpful in uncovering the latest IED technology, Ellis said.
Steven Aftergood, an intelligence expert at the Federation of American Scientists, praised Homeland Security for “trying to develop innovative approaches” and said its effort would not jeopardize privacy because the department would be scanning public websites.
The department, which declined comment, has made no decision about using Internet searches and is reviewing statements that companies submitted last month describing their ability to do the searches.

 

[ScottL]

They should start at Weitzer's shithole with dimedr, scrimmage and road dawg.

 

[nimue77]

This message board is so fucked up...what the fuck is going on?

 

[Dilrod]

To be honest, I already thought they were doing this. Not surprised. Hopefully, the new Administration can reclaim some of our civil liberties.

Not a chance in hell bro, sorry. Obama is no different than Bush, who broke every single one of his campaign promises.

 

[punter]

Do you hear that Roadie? They are going to track you down and punish you for leaveing little beakers of your piss at every buiding that looks offical and or flys the flag.

 

[Mistermj]

heh...Another example of government Dog chasing it's own tail.

May have to resurrect the use of an old tagline some friends and I used to put at the bottom of all our emails in the months after 9/11/01

"bombs, invasion, Iraq, Osama, fertilzer, McVeigh, World Trade Center, war, GW Bush, soldiers, kill, Kosovo, Oklahoma City, Air Force Base, stop reading my fucking email you fascist federal fucks"

You were half a decade too late worrying about your emails being read...and it had nothing at all to do with 9/11...or the Bush administration.

Just another case of unwarranted BDS on your part...don't worry...it's very common...especially in this left wing loony bin. :grandmais


Carnivore is a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is analogous to wiretapping, except in this case, e-mail and other communications are being tapped instead of telephone conversations. Carnivore is a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. It is a form of policeware. Carnivore was implemented during the Clinton administration with the approval of Attorney General Janet Reno. U.S. government officials have neither confirmed nor denied much about the physical or logical workings of Carnivore, but there are some facts that are generally agreed upon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

 

[barman]

Do you hear that Roadie? They are going to track you down and punish you for leaveing little beakers of your piss at every buiding that looks offical and or flys the flag.

:lolBIG:

 

[Preussen]

You were half a decade too late worrying about your emails being read...and it had nothing at all to do with 9/11...or the Bush administration.

Just another case of unwarranted BDS on your part...don't worry...it's very common...especially in this left wing loony bin. :grandmais


Carnivore is a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is analogous to wiretapping, except in this case, e-mail and other communications are being tapped instead of telephone conversations. Carnivore is a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. It is a form of policeware. Carnivore was implemented during the Clinton administration with the approval of Attorney General Janet Reno. U.S. government officials have neither confirmed nor denied much about the physical or logical workings of Carnivore, but there are some facts that are generally agreed upon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

MJ, Carnivore was a system to read the electronic communications of a targeted individual, usually only possible with a court order. It's quite easy to see that this is something entirely different than a complete, indiscriminate scanning of all internet activities.

What you are doing is the same as comparing the possibility of listening in on a suspect's telephon conversations after obtaining a court order with an indiscriminate recording of all phone calls in the country (or the world). I think the former is perfectly okay, even necessary, while the latter is an unbelievable violation of human rights.

 

[Mistermj]

MJ, Carnivore was a system to read the electronic communications of a targeted individual, usually only possible with a court order. It's quite easy to see that this is something entirely different than a complete, indiscriminate scanning of all internet activities.

What you are doing is the same as comparing the possibility of listening in on a suspect's telephon conversations after obtaining a court order with an indiscriminate recording of all phone calls in the country (or the world). I think the former is perfectly okay, even necessary, while the latter is an unbelievable violation of human rights.

No Preussen.

As was shown to us by EPIC...there were no such safeguards built into Clinton's version of Carnivore.

It's common knowledge here in the States that the Clinton administration participated in widespread electronic eavesdropping without court order.

If you have family or friends in the Bureau you would know this.

A private study conducted by the Illinois Institute of Technology Research Institute, which was commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, found several shortcomings in Carnivore. For example, the system did not keep track of individual users, so any operator defaulted to "administrator," leaving no audit trail. Also, the system lacked a feature that would require users to confirm that a court order was granted.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci508347,00.html

 

[festeringZit]

No Preussen.

As was shown to us by EPIC...there were no such safeguards built into Clinton's version of Carnivore.

It's common knowledge here in the States that the Clinton administration participated in widespread electronic eavesdropping without court order.

If you have family or friends in the Bureau you would know this.

A private study conducted by the Illinois Institute of Technology Research Institute, which was commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, found several shortcomings in Carnivore. For example, the system did not keep track of individual users, so any operator defaulted to "administrator," leaving no audit trail. Also, the system lacked a feature that would require users to confirm that a court order was granted.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci508347,00.html

Wow, Preussen wrong again - and speaking like he is an authority on
something that he knows virtually nothing about? Some things
never change.

:grandmais

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

It's common knowledge here in the States that the Clinton administration participated in widespread electronic eavesdropping without court order.

And they did it against born and fucking raised AMERICAN CITIZENS...Yet you have these idiots like those in the "were u into politics before" thread that thing BUSH RUINED the constitution doing what he did against FOREIGN GOD DAMN TERRIORISTS !!!!!!!!!! Stufrickinpidity, just a bunch of ignorant clowns.........

 

[Mistermj]

It's common knowledge here in the States that the Clinton administration participated in widespread electronic eavesdropping without court order.

And they did it against born and fucking raised AMERICAN CITIZENS...Yet you have these idiots like those in the "were u into politics before" thread that thing BUSH RUINED the constitution doing what he did against FOREIGN GOD DAMN TERRIORISTS !!!!!!!!!! Stufrickinpidity, just a bunch of ignorant clowns.........

Not to mention obsessed Germans lecturing us on what is going on in our country. You couldn't make it up...nobody would believe you.

They read a lefty article in some Euro trash newspaper and they think they know everything.

hno: :nohead:

 

[festeringZit]

Not to mention obsessed Germans lecturing us on what is going on in our country. You couldn't make it up...nobody would believe you.

They read a lefty article in some Euro trash newspaper and they think they know everything.

hno: :nohead:

Bingo!!!!

 

[Loren78]

Considering? LOLOL.....Where you been Barfly?

Its a Faux Excuse to increase spending on the Monitoring of The Population...

And when they tell you they "Plan" on doing something...

What they actually mean is...."They've" been doing it for quite some time...

They just decided to tell you about it now......

 

[Loren78]

To be honest, I already thought they were doing this. Not surprised. Hopefully, the new Administration can reclaim some of our civil liberties.

You Thought Right....

Its called 1984....

 

[SayHeyKid]

This has been going on for years, they are just announcing it to the people now. It's time to wake up and realize, our government is criminal. The republicans aren't good. The democrats aren't good. They are both controlled and run by people who want to control every facet of your life.

 

[Preussen]

No Preussen.

As was shown to us by EPIC...there were no such safeguards built into Clinton's version of Carnivore.

It's common knowledge here in the States that the Clinton administration participated in widespread electronic eavesdropping without court order.

If you have family or friends in the Bureau you would know this.

A private study conducted by the Illinois Institute of Technology Research Institute, which was commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, found several shortcomings in Carnivore. For example, the system did not keep track of individual users, so any operator defaulted to "administrator," leaving no audit trail. Also, the system lacked a feature that would require users to confirm that a court order was granted.

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci508347,00.html

MJ, as usual, you completely miss the point.

Carnivore was intended to monitor individual suspects. Even you don't (and cannot) dispute that. So obviously there is a huge qualitative difference between Carnivore and indiscriminate scans of internet communication (if the latter thing is really planned, Barman's first post does not exactly give many details).

If what you mention, MJ, is correct (which might well be although I refuse to take one short, general article of some internet website as proof), it only shows that Carnivore has been abused. This is by no means okay and should have (had) consequences, but it doesn't change the intention of the program.
By your argumentation, giving police free reign to indescriminately use guns against citizens without any reason would be the same as some officers breaking the rules by shooting without proper reasons. I don't know if you are able to grasp the difference, but I trust that most of us are.

 

[Preussen]

Wow, Preussen wrong again - and speaking like he is an authority on something that he knows virtually nothing about? Some things never change.

Zit, just because MJ says I'm wrong does not at all mean I'm actually wrong.

Seeing your recent posts in regard to me one cannot fail to notice that you really seem bitter. Lighten up, lad, you are by no means the only righty whose nonsense I expose from time to time. ;-)