Federer the Best Ever? I Think Not - He's not Even the Best Player of This Era

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illini....you don't know anything about tennis....quit trying.
 
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one guy has 6 majors with 4 of them being 1 event. the other has 16 , won the grand slam , played in 23 straight semi finals. not hard to figure out who's had a greater career.. i still rank borg and laver and sampras ahead of nadal...

come see me when he wins a couple more majors other than the french.... like most of your ejaculations i reckon , you're premature in calling nadal the best ever..

like i said , i'm a huge nadal fan and think he has the potential to be the best ever.. i dont think his body can take the pounding of the hard courts..

#1. I'm not comparing their careers, I made that extremely clear in this thread more than once. I'm comparing their head-to-head matchups

#2. Why do I waste my time... I never even came close to saying Nadal was the best ever.

WTF.
 

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#1. I'm not comparing their careers, I made that extremely clear in this thread more than once. I'm comparing their head-to-head matchups

#2. Why do I waste my time... I never even came close to saying Nadal was the best ever.

WTF.

but you said federer wasnt .. that in itself is incorrect..
 

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there is some backbone to the "gay" thing...a friend works the desk at the la quinta inn in kansas city...its not unusual to find fed, george brett, and richard jefferson "stopping by".
 

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one guy has 6 majors with 4 of them being 1 event. the other has 16 , won the grand slam , played in 23 straight semi finals. not hard to figure out who's had a greater career.. i still rank borg and laver and sampras ahead of nadal...

come see me when he wins a couple more majors other than the french.... like most of your ejaculations i reckon , you're premature in calling nadal the best ever..

like i said , i'm a huge nadal fan and think he has the potential to be the best ever.. i dont think his body can take the pounding of the hard courts..

these stats are correct... your title says " federer not best ever " clearly he is... even mcenroe and borg agree
 
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Yet another (strong) reason why Federer is not the best ever, and why his Grand Slam
totals are misleading -> He's playing in an era of very weak competition.

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Roger Federer: The Best of an Era, but Not Better Than Pete Sampras

by Amar Panchmatia
<small>Correspondent</small> Written on July 06, 2009

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A befallen Andy Roddick gazed through teary eyes on Centre Court of Wimbledon on Sunday before looking up at the parade of past champions that had congregated on tennis' biggest stage. He looked at Pete Sampras, the last great American player, and pleaded, "Sorry Pete, I tried to hold him off."


No worries, Andy. You had actually done just fine. Because although numbers will say one thing, Roddick's epic 5-7, 7-6 (8-6), 7-6 (7-5), 3-6, 16-14 loss was the latest evidence to show the assembly of legends that Roger Federer may not be the best player of all time.


Sure, there is the argument that Federer has won 15 Grand Slams, more than any man to walk the planet. But before Sampras broke the old mark in 2000, it was held by one Roy Emerson. While casual fans know the names Bjorn Borg and Rod Laver—and even Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, and Andre Agassi—Emerson never registered a blip on the radar of tennis greats.


Until Sampras took the mark less than a decade ago, holding the Grand Slam record had never meant anything when it comes to deciding who is the best ever.


While Laver, when asked that very question in the wake of Federer's record-setting victory, wanted to be reserved in his statements, even he suggested that you can only compare players to others in his era and not those before or after him.


But we can certainly compare eras—and when compared to Sampras', Federer's era is far weaker.


Some may attribute the fact that only one man, Rafael Nadal, has beaten Federer in a Grand Slam final as proof that Federer is the most dominating player in history. But over the course of six years, from 2003 to today, the fact that not one other player has been able to even sniff Federer on any surface is truly alarming and more of a testament to the state of men's tennis today.


While Nadal has been glorified as the "kryptonite" to tennis' Superman from Switzerland, the Spaniard is simply the Agassi of this generation.


Just as Agassi dominated the slower hardcourts of the Australian Open, Nadal has been a monster on the clay courts of Roland Garros. Both men have career Grand Slams, both are known for being flamboyant and marketable off the court, and both proved to be the biggest rivals for the best players of their respective generations.


Except Sampras beat Agassi like a drum. Sampras burst onto the scene as a 19-year-old in 1990 by picking Agassi apart, 6-4, 6-3, 6-2 at the US Open final, his first Slam. The man known as "Pistol Pete" was 6-3 against Agassi in Grand Slams, including 4-1 in finals.
Instead of being the one being demoralized, Sampras was doing the demoralizing, as his win over Agassi in the 1995 US Open final sent the latter into a downward spiral that took him to 141st in the world and a free-fall into temporary oblivion.


Federer, on the other hand, is 7-13 all-time against Nadal, including 2-6 in Grand Slams and 2-5 in Slam finals. That includes a 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 demolition in the finals of the 2008 French Open finals that was hardly befitting of a player being dubbed "The Best Ever."
How can Federer be the best player to ever pick up a tennis racquet when he is not even the best player of this current decade? How can he think of being the best when he knows that there is another man alive right now that he just cannot beat?
While Sampras had some cupcakes in his era, he had to get past some Grand Slam champions to accumulate his 14 Grand Slams. Other than Agassi, Sampras had to drop two-time US Open champion Patrick Rafter to win his record-setting seventh Wimbledon in 2000.


When he first broke through in 1990, Sampras also had to beat Ivan Lendl—who had made eight consecutive US Open finals going into that tournament—in the quarterfinals.
Two-time French Open champion Jim Courier also showed the strength of American tennis at the time, but Courier was a prop to Sampras whenever the two butted heads. Carlos Moya was a 1998 French Open champion, but he was assaulted by Sampras in the 1997 Australian Open finals.


Even German legend Boris Becker—a six-time Grand Slam champion and three-time Wimbledon champion—was mowed down in four sets at the lawn of the All England Club in 1995.


Federer, on the other hand, has had a blast beating the likes of Marcos Baghdatis, Fernando Gonzalez, Robin Soderling, and a washed-up Mark Philippoussis in Slam finals. The best American player of his generation—Andy Roddick—would be well behind Sampras, Agassi, Courier, and even Michael Chang in the American pecking order if he was born 10 years earlier.


Yet here was Roddick, giving Federer the match of his life, a struggle that Sampras never encountered as he rolled to seven All England Club titles. Outside of one hiccup at the quarterfinals of the 1996 Wimbledon against Dutchman Richard Krajicek, Sampras was 53-1 at Wimbledon over an eight-year span and never lost a final there, a distinction Federer failed to earn after losing to Nadal at the All England Club a year ago.


So celebrate Roger Federer if you must, especially in a sports world that has become so dominated by numbers. Fifteen may be larger than 14, but it's also easy to stockpile Grand Slams when only one man in the world has the tools to even compete with you.
The numbers may say that Roger Federer is the best of all time, but after looking at who he has had to beat, he is simply the best of a poor and washed-up generation.
And if Nadal has even one more say in the US Open this September, Federer may not even be the best of this generation either.
 

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A friend visits him and that makes him gay?

Well, my PT friend of mine says, and he's serious, it's more than a friendly visit, and insiders say he's bi.
Not a big deal to me.
 

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Soderling has Fed on the ropes.Up 2 sets to 1.let's see if Soderling has the nads to finish him off:smoking:
 
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If Federer loses this match, and Nadal goes on to win, Nadal will take over the #1 ranking...
 

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and I was just typing he has made the finals 18 of the last 19 slams ( ithink that was what I saw)..make that 18-20. LOL

He is still the best. Nadal's knees will never allow him to have longivity to overtake Federer.
 

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greatest streak in the history of sports has come to an end.
 

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oh and brad gilbert said he thinks federer's streak that just was stopped was the greatest record in the history of sports.
 

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I can't think of a more impressive record myself in the modern era of sports. Up there with Dimaggio's hitting streak in terms of records that will never be broken.
 

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I can't think of a more impressive record myself in the modern era of sports. Up there with Dimaggio's hitting streak in terms of records that will never be broken.

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