Federer the Best Ever? I Think Not - He's not Even the Best Player of This Era

[clowncar]

Nadal's record against Fed is because Fed makes the finals on his bad surface much more often than Nadal makes the final on his bad surfaces. The losses on clay to Nadal are a testament to Fed's greatness on all surfaces, he just ran into possibly the best clay court player of all time when he makes those French finals.

To me it is like having two football kickers. One of the kickers is a specialist for kicks over 55 yards and dominates every other kicker at that distance. He is still a great kicker below 55 yards but not elite at all. Meanwhile another kicker is the greatest on all the other distances and second best when he runs into the specialist kicker for the kicks over 55. There isn't much doubt who the better kicker is, but if a majority of the kick contests between the two kickers occur over 55 yards, then the specialist is going to have a better kicking record than the overall better kicker.

 

[phdinsports]

Fed is the goat for now, but I think when it's all said and done, Djokovic may surpass him. He's won everything, career slam, 5 atp finals, and the career golden masters!

 

[Shub]

Fed is the goat for now, but I think when it's all said and done, Djokovic may surpass him. He's won everything, career slam, 5 atp finals, and the career golden masters!

The joker is plantbased and we take the same DHA ayeeeee

 

[festeringZit]

Tsitsipas beats Federer in 4 sets, and then Nadal absolutely crushes and humiliates Tsitsipas.

Nadal needed all of 11 minutes Thursday to show Tsitsipas -- and everyone else -- that his upset of Roger Federer was not going to be replicated on this night. Not even close. Breaking Tsitsipas in the match's third game and then another five times Thursday while never facing a break point himself until the final game, Nadal won 6-2, 6-4, 6-0.

"It felt like a different dimension of tennis completely," said the 14th-seeded Tsitsipas, a blank expression on his face. "He gives you no rhythm. He plays just a different game style than the rest of the players. He has this, I don't know, talent that no other player has. I've never seen a player have this. He makes you play bad."

 

[The Greatest One]

This is far more of an interesting debate than best qb of all time with Djokovich, Nadal, and Federer all in the same era but all have somewhat different games. All 3 are best on 3 different surfaces

And none of the 3 are Americans so there shouldn't be any bias.

 

[The Greatest One]

In case no one has heard, Federer is playing on clay this year

 

[festeringZit]

This is far more of an interesting debate than best qb of all time with Djokovich, Nadal, and Federer all in the same era but all have somewhat different games. All 3 are best on 3 different surfaces

And none of the 3 are Americans so there shouldn't be any bias.

What makes it even more interesting, is that the argument for best QB in football is an argument involving a team sport. Tennis is clearly not that...

 

[The Greatest One]

And by the way; Agassi and stefi graf kid doesn’t even play tennis as far as I know. Last I heard he was up and coming baseball player

 

[Shub]

What makes it even more interesting, is that the argument for best QB in football is an argument involving a team sport. Tennis is clearly not that...

I agree with you both. Honorable mention Pete Sampras, born a few minutes down the street in Potomac, Maryland.

 

[festeringZit]

 

[5teamparlay]

Congrats on making the final Roger


Wimbledon is Federer's dominion. He has won 101 matches at the place -- more than any other man at any Slam, even Nadal at Roland Garros. The most recent of his eight trophies was won in 2017.

 

[festeringZit]

I think Djoker will take him down in the finals.

 

[LargeMarge]

This thread sure aged well. Zit is the king of trying to take shots at the best players in the sport, and looking like a clown

 

[HarryCaray]

I think Djoker will take him down in the finals.

Gotta give Djoker a slight edge but I think the price is more than fair on Federer. As it was today.

 

[busterhyman]

Gotta give Djoker a slight edge but I think the price is more than fair on Federer. As it was today.

it was actually nice... 2 be able 2 bet... a men's tennis match...2 many huge favs in men's tennis lately..

 

[festeringZit]

This thread sure aged well. Zit is the king of trying to take shots at the best players in the sport, and looking like a clown

And you ( Vitterd) are the biggest douche bag in all of forum-land.

There's a reason you get banned everywhere you post

 

[snoop]

He has figured out how to beat Nadal. He beat Rafa 6/7 in the last 7 times they met. Rafa always struggle to deal with long/deep ball. Novak is a different animal. He could deal with about anything throwing at him.

Roger never beat Rafa/Novak in the same tournament.

Halep is getting under Serena skin. Up 2-0 in the 1st set.

 

[SunDodger]

Now that's what you call a premature thread bump. You're supposed to wait until after the final before bumping this thread.



Federer breaks at 7-7 to serve for the match. Djokovic breaks back and wins the 5th set tie break. Amazing match, but big loss for Federer.

Djokovic has now won 4 out of the last 5 majors, and is the youngest of the big three.



When all three have finally retired, it is very likely that Federer will not have the most titles. He may even wind up in third.

Scoreboard:
Federer 20, age 37
Nadal 18, age 33
Djokovic 16, age 32

 

[Ricboff]

missed most of the match, tee time ...priorities (fuckin classic blow up hole , triple bogie snap hook OB!!...78 tho!!!!!!!!!!!)

why didnt they keep playing ? why the tiebreak in the 5th? Fed had TWO match pts on serve on grass and didnt convert?.... Gee...kudos Nole. If he can stay healthy he has a shot at 21.

turning the clock back, if someone would have told you in say 1990 that come 2019, the 3 all-time greatest tennis players would all be Euros? ....bye bye Sampras



after losing such a gut wrenching final?

Roger Federer speaks! “I will try to forget. It was a great match. It was long, it had everything, I had my chances, so did he. In a way I’m happy. But Novak was great. Well done. I still feel good. I can still stand. Back to dad and husband. It’s all good.”


fuckin guy, PURE CLASS. Tremendous ambassador for sport.

 

[NBAcapper08]

anyone have the replay of this? i had to go to phils game today and missed the final set