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FBI freezes funds of 'virtual wallet' web payment firm

Simon Bowers
Tuesday February 6, 2007

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The FBI has frozen funds held in customer accounts at Neteller, the "virtual wallet" payment processor, as part of its case against the firm's two Canadian founders who were last month arrested and charged with racketeering and money laundering.

Neteller refused to disclose how much had been frozen but company filings make clear huge sums were flowing between its US customers' "e-wallets" and online merchants - particularly gambling websites - up until the firm was pressured to close its American operations in the wake of last month's arrests. Over a six-month period last year the company processed transactions worth $5.1bn (£2.6bn), with about 85% involving US customers.

Less than three weeks ago, Neteller said in a statement to the stock exchange: "The funds of US resident customers are held in segregated trust accounts and are fully secure and will be available for withdrawal by customers on demand."

Since then, advice on the group's website makes clear customer withdrawals have now been blocked. "As a top priority, we are working to resolve all withdrawal issues but in the meantime we continue to maintain these funds in trust on your behalf," customers are told. "Please check this page regularly for more updates."

The US Congress passed tough anti-gambling laws last October but several rogue operators based in off-shore tax havens have continued to target US punters, flouting the new legislation. They relied heavily on Neteller.

In the past five years, Neteller came to dominate gambling transactions in America because its e-wallets allowed users to get around credit card blocks on gambling sites. Following the arrests of founders Stephen Lawrence and John Lefebvre, who face up to 20 years in jail if convicted, the decision was quickly taken to shut down US operations. Trading in the company's shares was also suspended and remains so.

The FBI claim JSL Systems, a US-based payment company owned by Mr Lefebvre, received customer funds in the US for Neteller and then transferred them to accounts held by a Neteller company in Canada. Last month Neteller told the Guardian that wagered money no longer passed through JSL.

It is unclear whether the FBI will treat some or all of the funds as proceeds of illegal gambling. One US newspaper report cited Neil Donovan, an FBI agent, saying the funds were being held in court as potential evidence. Some money may be returned to Neteller customers but no timescale was forthcoming, the report said. A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice last night refused to confirm details in the report, as did Neteller.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2006597,00.html
 

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No kidding? I think I stated early on that it would be a total wipeout. It's nice to know that I am seeing things so clearly. Too bad to all of the morons who didn't have money there who kept saying that everything would work out.

STIFF from day one. Stiff being defined as not getting a nickel.
 

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A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice last night refused to confirm details in the report, as did Neteller.

Nothing new here....this is the same story from last week
 

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If the FBI/DOJ seizes/seized their funds, then Neteller is not a stiff operation.
 

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Maybe, but that isn't the point. The point is whether we get our money or not. Thinking it wasn't Neteller's fault isn't going to make anyone feel better if they collect $0. AND...this doesn't prove Neteller isn't stiffing or holding back. I'm guessing they only froze a very small fraction of Neteller's operating capital. NETELLER would love to have us believe they took it all (notice how they won't discuss how much). This information appears to be spoon-fed to the press by Neteller, who was as vague with it as they have been about everything else to this point. F*** these guys.
 

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Neteller is not stiffing. Business as usual up here in Canada with Neteller. I think what has been happening is that the FBI has continued to find ways to intercept funds flowing from Neteller to US residents. EFTs, checks, and maybe even somehow some peer to peer transactions (though I can't figure out how). Neteller TRIED to pay US players, but what can they do if the US govt keeps intercepting the money? If you were NEteller, would you continue to throw money in a bush by trying to force it through channels that are clearly being blocked? Don't blame NEteller, blame your shitty government. Americans talk a lot about fighting for freedom. How many of you are banging down the doors in Washington?
 

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Ronald said:
Neteller is not stiffing. Business as usual up here in Canada with Neteller. I think what has been happening is that the FBI has continued to find ways to intercept funds flowing from Neteller to US residents. EFTs, checks, and maybe even somehow some peer to peer transactions (though I can't figure out how). Neteller TRIED to pay US players, but what can they do if the US govt keeps intercepting the money? If you were NEteller, would you continue to throw money in a bush by trying to force it through channels that are clearly being blocked? Don't blame NEteller, blame your shitty government. Americans talk a lot about fighting for freedom. How many of you are banging down the doors in Washington?

Freedom...Washington...what the f*** are you talking about Ronald? If I went to Isle of Man, where this shit outfit is based, or somewhere else in the U.K. to pick up my funds in the form of a check which I would then cash at their bank there, how could that possibly be stopped? Neteller isn't trying to pay anyone. If they wanted to pay, how could anyone stop them from paying people? All they'd have to do is tell me to go to the Isle of Man to get the cash, and I'd be on the next flight. They are CHOOSING to not pay.
 

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Ronald said:
Neteller is not stiffing. Business as usual up here in Canada with Neteller. I think what has been happening is that the FBI has continued to find ways to intercept funds flowing from Neteller to US residents. EFTs, checks, and maybe even somehow some peer to peer transactions (though I can't figure out how). Neteller TRIED to pay US players, but what can they do if the US govt keeps intercepting the money? If you were NEteller, would you continue to throw money in a bush by trying to force it through channels that are clearly being blocked? Don't blame NEteller, blame your shitty government. Americans talk a lot about fighting for freedom. How many of you are banging down the doors in Washington?

You guys need to read what people are saying. I defined Stiffing as NOT GETTING A GODDAMN CENT. Understand? If you played with a local and he owed you $5,000, but didn't pay because someone owed him money, or didn't pay because his wife froze his bank account. You got STIFFED. Most people who stiff don't have the money...for whatever reason. Most people who do have the money end up paying.
 

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mvbski said:
The FBI has frozen funds held in customer accounts at Neteller, the "virtual wallet" payment processor, as part of its case against the firm's two Canadian founders who were last month arrested and charged with racketeering and money laundering.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice last night refused to confirm details in the report, as did Neteller.

While this appears to be correct there is no more information than the USA Today report that quoted FBI agent Neil Donovan.
 

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mvbski said:
The FBI has frozen funds held in customer accounts at Neteller, the "virtual wallet" payment processor, as part of its case against the firm's two Canadian founders who were last month arrested and charged with racketeering and money laundering.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice last night refused to confirm details in the report, as did Neteller.

While this appears to be correct there is no more information than the USA Today report that quoted FBI agent Neil Donovan.
 

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OK call me dumb, but how is it that the FBI has jurisdiction over the funds belonging to a company located in a another country?
 

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Why the heck ould they need to "freeze" funds as evidence? Isn't knowing they were there enough? wtf. And what does "freeze" here mean? Netellers bank(s) won't release the funds to them? And regardless, it shouldnt matter if they froze some funds, if they can pay non-americans there is no reason they can't pay americans - just take it from the same places they take it from to pay foreigners. It's bullshit.
 

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Neteller is choosing not to pay. They are completely to blame for this whole fiasco. The US government or any branch of it has no jurisdiction whatsoever in any matters involving Neteller and how they do business. It's that simple. If Neteller doesn't want to do business with US customers any longer, that's their business. They should immediately refund all funds if requested by US account holders.

All Neteller has to do is process the pending EFT's. If they don't want to do it that way, then they can send checks to people. Right now what Neteller is doing amounts to theft. They are holding millions of dollars of money that doesn't belong to them. This is completely Neteller's fault yet they continue to come up with bullshit stories.
 

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If Neteller can pay but simply won't then why does the FBI take credit for freezing the funds? Why would the FBI deliberately want to anger the American public? Secondly, don't you think Neteller would continue to service the US if they could? They would be more profitable in the long term by continuing with their old business model rather than stiffing US players and making non-US players apprehensive. And finally, if Neteller truly wanted to STIFF US players, then why did they initially allow US players to WD using the Neteller card and then using P2P with non-US citizens?
 

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I'll tell you what our freaking government is doing, they are trying to freeze and steal the money that people in the U.S have in neteller, by saying they are from an illegal act, they are trying to steal our money, not neteller, our government wants to steal all U.S money in neteller, get it.
 

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soccerbob said:
Neteller is choosing not to pay. ...All Neteller has to do is process the pending EFT's. If they don't want to do it that way, then they can send checks to people..

This appears to be false, since USD account holders outside the US have been told they cannot receive USD checks but EFTs in their own currency are processed normally.

Regarding the NETeller frozen funds, speculation is that it either involves a few hundred relating to CW (the cooperating witness) in the Lawarence/Lefebvre case or EFTs that were seized in transit.
 

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Ronald said:
And finally, if Neteller truly wanted to STIFF US players, then why did they initially allow US players to WD using the Neteller card and then using P2P with non-US citizens?

They were preparing to pay off all US clients until the DOJ threatened them with a money laundering charge?
 

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Woody0 said:
\Regarding the NETeller frozen funds, speculation is that it either involves a few hundred relating to CW (the cooperating witness) in the Lawarence/Lefebvre case or EFTs that were seized in transit.

It could also be Lawrence and Lefebvre's own money as it was in transit from NETeller to another of their companies, the act from which the charges of money laundering stem in the first place.
 
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Woody0 said:
This appears to be false, since USD account holders outside the US have been told they cannot receive USD checks but EFTs in their own currency are processed normally.

What leads you to say non USA USD accounts cannot recieve USD checks?
SS recieved one last Thursday in Canada.
 

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