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this is something that should scare the hell out of all of us.....this should be the lead story on the front page of every newspaper in every country......


this is what we are fighting to prevent...and it looks like the genie is out of the bottle.....

all nations that wish to continue living in this world as we know it,should address this issue immediately...

this one threatens us all...

the ramifications of this man`s(or group`s) actions are so dire it`s hard to overstate the issue...


by mansoor ijaz.....



"The admission this week by Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan that he transferred Pakistan's nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya is a watershed event in the history of global non-proliferation efforts. Never has nuclear technology been shared on such a wide scale by such a poor country with such potentially disastrous results. And no one seemed to really care too much about the whole affair.

Brushed aside were the legal, political and security ramifications of potential involvement by Pakistan's past and present military and intelligence officials in the package deal — negotiated behind closed doors — to close the controversy generated by Dr. Khan's decades-long illegal actions. The deal essentially forced Dr. Khan to admit his guilt alone and to exonerate any government officials, past or present, in the transfer of nuclear centrifuge technology (to enable the creation of enriched uranium), bomb designs or warhead components in exchange for a full presidential pardon issued by Gen. Pervez Musharraf and approved by his cabinet on Thursday.

Even more disturbing, however, was the apparent "free-pass" issued by the Bush White House to Gen. Musharraf in an attempt to keep his government alive and stable. The assumption made was that had Dr. Khan opted to defend himself and his actions at a trial for treason, he would have spilled the beans on everyone in government, military and intelligence circles that was involved in the approval — explicit or implicit — of the nuclear transfers. But the calculation that making Dr. Khan the fall guy, thereby ending inquiry and bringing closure to this nuclear scandal (because Musharraf is too valuable as an ally in the war on terror to let his government collapse), makes the assumption that there are no other countries or terrorist groups to which Pakistani nuclear assets have been transferred.

Despite Pakistani denials and statements to the contrary, this is far from certain.

The civilized world, led by an American administration that has made unraveling terrorism's nerve centers its central foreign policy goal, has a right to know whether or not other countries or groups have received nuclear technologies and intellectual assistance from Pakistan's rogue elements before Gen. Musharraf slams the door shut on any independent auditing of his nuclear books. That he feels the matter can be closed in such a cavalier manner is a slight to American taxpayers who are funding his very survival, and to civilized people everywhere who now have to wonder whether terrorists have the materials to not only build radiological "dirty" bombs, but to build functional nuclear weapons that can destroy the fabric of peace and humankind.

The Bush White House must be called upon by the American people to compel our ally, Gen. Musharraf, to open his records for independent verification and inspection so we can unravel the nuclear black market before more dangerous transfers are made, and to accept nuclear safeguards — like sensors, alarms, tamper-proof seals, safekeeping vaults and closed-circuit cameras — that insure at least Pakistan's nuclear materials are never again available for use by unauthorized parties.

To do otherwise would be to sew the same seeds for an attack of incalculable consequences on American soil by terrorists who received aid from an American ally — funded by American taxpayer money while America's political leaders looked the other way. It seems, at times, that we learned nothing from the lessons of the politicized intelligence failures that led to the death, mayhem and destruction we suffered on September 11, 2001.".....

should scare the hell out of everybody...
 

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guys....this thread is so much more critical than all the stupid, moronic,juvenile name calling that`s so popular on this site that it boggles the mind.....

here`s more....and helps explain why we can`t wait for our so-called duplicitous friends to o.k. what we think is our own best national security and economic interests....
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At Least 7 Nations Tied To Pakistani Nuclear Ring
Sun Feb 8,12:00 AM ET Add Top Stories - washingtonpost.com


By Peter Slevin, John Lancaster and Kamran Khan, Washington Post Staff Writers

VIENNA, Feb. 7 -- The rapidly expanding probe into a Pakistani-led nuclear trafficking network extended to at least seven nations Saturday as investigators said they had traced businesses from Africa, Asia and Europe to the smuggling ring controlled by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.


seven days after Khan confessed on television to selling his country's nuclear secrets, Western diplomats and intelligence officials said they were just beginning to understand the scale of the network, a global enterprise that supplied nuclear technology and parts to Libya, Iran, North Korea (news - web sites) and possibly others.


"Dr. Khan was not working alone. Dr. Khan was part of a process," said Mohamed ElBaradei, director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Vienna-based U.N. agency that is conducting the probe along with U.S. and other Western intelligence agencies. "There were items that were manufactured in other countries. There were items that were assembled in a different country."


Meanwhile, Pakistani officials disclosed that they had launched their own probe of Khan's activities in October after the Bush administration presented what one senior official described as "mind-boggling" evidence that Khan was peddling nuclear technology and expertise to Iran, Libya and North Korea, and had attempted to do the same with Iraq (news - web sites) and Syria.


The evidence included detailed records of Khan's travels to Libya, Iran, North Korea and other nations, along with intercepted phone conversations, financial documents and accounts of meetings with foreign businessmen involved in illicit nuclear sales, the Pakistani officials said.


Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was personally briefed on the evidence on Oct. 6 by a U.S. delegation led by Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage. Gen. John Abizaid, the head of U.S. Central Command, made a similar presentation to Pakistani political and military leaders, the officials said.


"This was the most important development for us since 9/11," one of the Pakistani officials said. "One more time, the ball was in the court of General Pervez Musharraf."


Khan, known in Pakistan as the creator of the country's atomic bomb, acknowledged in the televised statement Wednesday that he had passed nuclear secrets to others, saying that he acted without authorization from his government. A day later, Musharraf pardoned Khan.


U.S. and U.N. investigators say Khan's nuclear trading network represents one of the most egregious cases of nuclear proliferation ever discovered. Using suppliers and middlemen scattered ac**** three continents, the network delivered a variety of machines and technology for enriching uranium, a key ingredient in nuclear weapons. In the case of Libya, at least, it provided blueprints for the bombs themselves.


Khan's network provided "one-stop shopping" for nuclear technology and parts, said a senior U.S. official, who described how supply met demand in what amounted to a centralized ordering system.


"If I want to buy an IBM computer, I don't have to go to every single element of IBM," the official said, by way of analogy. "I can go to their salesman, and he fixes me up just fine."


Diplomats familiar with the Pakistan operation say Khan and his closest associates were the "salesmen" who filled orders for Libya and other customers. In the case of Libya, representatives of Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi contacted the Pakistanis, who relayed the requests to middlemen.


The middlemen, in turn, found suppliers to produce the necessary components. Finished parts were then shipped to a firm in the Persian Gulf emirate of Dubai, which arranged for delivery to Libya. The interception of a significant shipment of components in Italy last fall led to Gaddafi's decision to eliminate his nonconventional weapons programs, U.S. officials contend.


Companies or individuals in at least seven countries, including Pakistan, were involved, knowledgeable officials said. Among the countries known to be involved are Malaysia, SOUTH AFRICA, JAPAN, THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES and GERMANY.... A company in another European country was also involved, two diplomats said.


The commodities produced for Libya ranged from electronics and vacuum systems to high-strength metals used in manufacturing gas centrifuges, which are used in making enriched uranium.


"It was a remarkable network that was able in the end to provide a turn-key gas centrifuge facility and the wherewithal to make more centrifuges," said former IAEA inspector David Albright, a physicist who has studied the nuclear procurement networks of Iran and Libya. "The technology holder was always Khan. Suppliers came and went, but Khan was always there."


Libya and Iran have already given investigators the names of many of the companies and middlemen involved, and are continuing to offer more, according to Western diplomats familiar with the investigation.



Two German businessmen identified by Libya as alleged suppliers of centrifuge technology -- Otto Heilingbrunner and Gotthard Lerch -- have been interviewed by IAEA investigators but not charged with any crimes, according to two officials close to the investigation. A third German named by Libya, Heinz Mebus, is now deceased. All were formerly employed by companies that manufacture equipment used in gas centrifuges.

Heilingbrunner, reached by phone at his home in southern Germany, said he tried to sell aircraft parts to Iran in the 1980s, but said he never sold nuclear technology to anyone.

"I never did business with this junk," said Heilingbrunner. "I do not know how they came up with me." A senior Bush administration official said the Khan connection may have provided everything Libya acquired for its nascent nuclear program, including weapons designs. The designs were later handed to U.S., British and IAEA officials in Tripoli and are now being studied in the United States.

The disclosure of Armitage's October visit by Pakistani officials provides new details of a claim made this week in a speech by CIA (news - web sites) Director George J. Tenet. Tenet said the intelligence agency had successfully penetrated Khan's network long before the IAEA went to Pakistan in November with evidence of illicit technology transfers to Iran.

Two Pakistani officials said Armitage presented the case against Khan and several other associates during a meeting with Musharraf at his official army residence in the city of Rawalpindi. The Americans asked Pakistan to verify the information independently and to take action against those involved, the officials said.

"We were told that Pakistan's failure to take action will most certainly jeopardize its ties with the United States and other important nations," one of the Pakistani officials said. The U.S. officials warned Pakistan that failure to act on the information could lead to sanctions by the United States and the United Nations (news - web sites).

Musharraf was said to be stunned by the detailed evidence against Khan and his associates. "It seemed that the Americans had a tracker planted on Khan's body," a Pakistani official said. "They know much more than us about Dr. Khan's wealth spread all over the globe."

Among other things, he added, the U.S. officials presented evidence of Khan's alleged attempts to sell nuclear secrets to Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) when he was president of Iraq and reported that Khan had traveled to Beirut for a clandestine meeting with a top Syrian official in the mid-1990s.

During the second week in November, an Iranian delegation led by a deputy foreign minister, Gholam Ali Khoshru, arrived in Islamabad, according to a third senior Pakistani official.

"They used a very careful formulation," the official recalled of the visit. "They said they had acquired components and designs in '87 from the black market -- they mentioned Dubai -- and said two of the individuals involved were of South Asian origin, though not from the same country. They hinted they were under scrutiny from the IAEA and would have to make these declarations" about who had supplied the technology.

Shortly afterward, the IAEA delivered its findings on Iran in a two-page letter, and Pakistan's investigation began in earnest. Musharraf ordered the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and Strategic Planning and Development Cell to check out the evidence that had been provided by the United States and the U.N. agency, the officials said.

ISI officials traveled to Malaysia, Dubai, Iran and Libya and "found that evidence against Dr. Khan was accurate," one of the officials said.

Staff writer Joby Warrick in Washington and researcher Shannon Smiley in Berlin contributed to this report. Lancaster reported from Islamabad and Khan from Karachi......

man.....we can`t trust anybody....these bastards are selling their souls to the devil...
 

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Sphincter,agreed some scary shit.This should be of major concern to present administration and all administrations to come.
 

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What I find interesting is the main possessor of WMD's ain't on the list of countries that received this info.
 

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assmilwaukee with another subliminal shot at the current admin. -- this divisiveness, hinders the ability for our nation to protect itself.

unfortunately, we've suspected this for quite some time; india has more than likely been doing the same thing
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it's really time to start reinvesting in the star wars program!

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hansen,

MassMil's opinion doesn't weaken the country. Democracies such as ours are based on freedom to dissent. Whether he agrees with you or not, I'm thankful that everyone doesn't goose step in unison.

I don't know that politically I will ever agree on anything with you but I will agree that Slapshot was a cool flick and your post name is all good by me.
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thanks man! i just do not like the fact that at every single opportunity (even non-opp) wacko's try to bash. we are one country here and mutiny on the bounty is exactly what the terrorists are shooting for -- they now they can't fight against us -- they will NEVER win -- but if they get us fighting with ourselves, well???????

gl

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Hanson Brother,

Listen sport, this ain't 1984, and I ain't lookin' for a hair that was placed on my desk. But, if you and your admin get it their way, free thought will become a crime.

PS. What venue are you playing this weekend?
 

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There you go mass,

You know if you want to have some money in your wallet you go asking ( begging ) for it from someone on the right side of the fence
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Typical lib.
 

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funny you mention the hair.....
....ahhh, who brought that to the forefront?????

THE LIBS!!!

i rest my case!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> unfortunately, we've suspected this for quite some time; india has more than likely been doing the same thing it's really time to start reinvesting in the star wars program!
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hansen it just shows you how far ahead of the curve Ron Regan was...also it looks like Kerrys vote on a nuclear freeze was a real brainstorm...kind of like gun control the only guys with guns would be the criminals.
 

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I have followed this story with some interest. What is most suprising to me is that Musharraf actually pardoned this guy.

The Asia Times ran an interesting article on this story and how it effects Pak-India-US relations (here.)

Be very interesting to see how this plays out.


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Pat,

gotta take issue with ya once again. what does nuclear freeze have to do with india and pakistan? we got more than enough nukes to blow them, and Russia off of the map - no need to spend more $$ to develop more. Kerry ain't weak on defense, just smart on not spending dollars we don't have to.

Phaed,

Interesting dilemna in Pakistan. IMO, Musharaf is our best option in combating Taliban/Al Qeada. but facing asassination attempts at home while trying to placate Pakistani nationals who view nuclear scientist Khan as a hero puts him and USA in tough spot. Gotta think about that for a while.
 

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