Fat bastards die sooner than the rest of us

[eek.]

A shocker...considering most people over 80 are made of pipecleaners.

Expensive studies required to state the obvious...


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A thickening girth can be a sign of type 2 diabetes

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Carrying extra fat around your middle dramatically increases your risk of early death, even if your overall weight is normal, say researchers.
A study of almost 360,000 people from nine European countries found waist size a "powerful indicator" of risk.
Each extra 2ins (5cm) raised the chance of early death by between 13% and 17%.
The New England Journal of Medicine study stressed GPs should regulraly measure patients' waists as a cheap and easy way to assess health. <!-- E SF -->
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It costs virtually nothing to measure your hip and waist size

Professor Elio Riboli
Imperial College London

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The link between waist fat and health problems has been established for some time, but the sheer size of the study gives scientists a far more accurate picture.
The researchers, including some from Imperial College London, followed the volunteers, who were an average of 51 years old at the start of the study, for the next 10 years, during which time 14,723 of them died.
The standard measure of obesity, body mass index (BMI) remained a reasonable predictor of health problems, with those with a high reading more likely to die from cardiovascular disease or cancer.
However, the 'hip/waist ratio', a number produced by dividing the waist size by the hip measurement, and just the waist measurement on its own, were both good ways of sorting out those at highest risk.
Some people who had a completely normal BMI score, but a larger than average waist, were at significantly higher risk of early death.
At the extremes, men with waists exceeding 47ins (119cm) had a doubled rate of death compared with those with waists under 31.5ins (80cm), and a similar statistic was found when women with waists over 39ins (99cm) were compared to those under 25.5ins (64.7cm).
An increase in risk of death could be plotted every time the belt was let out by another two inches - for two people with the same BMI, every additional 2ins (5cm) on their waistband added up to a 17% increase in risk for men, and 13% for women.
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Calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by height in metres squared
Normal: 18.5 - 24.9
Overweight: 25 - 29.9
Obese: Above 30

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Professor Elio Riboli, from Imperial College London, said: "We were surprised to see the waist size having such a powerful effect on people's health and premature death.
"There aren't many simple individual characteristics that can increase a person's risk of premature death to this extent, independently from smoking and drinking."
He added: "The good news is that you don't need to take an expensive test and wait ages for the result to assess this aspect of your health - it costs virtually nothing to measure your hip and waist size."
Fat message
The reason for the link is not entirely clear, but another researcher, Dr Tobias Pischon, from the German Institute of Human Nutrition at Potsdam-Rehbrucke, said that abdominal fat was not like other fat reserves, but could directly influence the development of chronic disease by releasing "messenger substances".
A British Heart Foundation spokesman welcomed the findings, saying they supported previous research which found the risk of heart disease to be higher when fat was concentrated around the waist area. "It is important a variety of measurements are used to assess body weight and shape. - as well as BMI (Body Mass Index), waist circumference and waist-hip ratio can help to provide a better assessment of health risk. "If you tend to gather weight around your middle, increasing the amount of activity you do and watching what you eat will help to reduce your risk of heart disease and of dying early."
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[eek.]

Want to live forever?

Eat once a day, or once every two days.

i.e.
Don't put your internal systems under any pressure.

 

[Mistermj]

Yup..its true.

A pot belly is a different kind of fat than on the rest of your body.

It raises your risk of heat attack, stroke and diabetes a lot.

I've been on a plan to lose my extra weight and get back to my ideal weight...not easy to do.

Lost 20 pounds so far...lowered my BP by 10 points...to 110/70.

Gave up most carbs and sugar, watch calories.

Walking every day, Vitamin D and Fish oil works wonders for slashing risk factors.

 

[tiznow]

http://www.frenchmeadow.com/products/breads-rolls/men-s-bread

i eat this every morning with two eggs

really gets your metabolism off to a good start and low carb high fiber

its expensive (costs 7 bucks a loaf now at my local grocery store cause its got alot of seeds and nuts that have skyrocketed in price of late) but worth it

starving yourself doesn't work eekster and excercise alone won't either

good diet and eating lots of small meals with a healthy metabolic boosting breakfast to start the day is the key

breakfast the most important meal of the day

and don't eat before bed either

 

[Mistermj]

http://www.frenchmeadow.com/products/breads-rolls/men-s-bread

i eat this every morning with two eggs

really gets your metabolism off to a good start and low carb high fiber

its expensive (costs 7 bucks a loaf now at my local grocery store cause its got alot of seeds and nuts that have skyrocketed in price of late) but worth it

starving yourself doesn't work eekster and excercise alone won't either

good diet and eating lots of small meals with a healthy metabolic boosting breakfast to start the day is the key

breakfast the most important meal of the day

and don't eat before bed either

Eggs are great...bread is something you eventually want to get away from.

Wheat, in any form is the worst thing you can eat.

 

[tiznow]

no its not white bread is the worst its basically like drinking a coke its sugar in a different form

the higher the fiber and lower the carbs the better the bread

whole wheat, whole grain type stuff the best bread

http://www.blurtit.com/q856361.html

Not only does it have more sugar, but white bread, along with potatoes, corn, carrots, white flour, cane sugar, and white rice, is a STARCH, which effectively converts into (more) sugar upon digestion. So even though a nutrition label might not reflect these foods as having sugar, eating starches is like eating lumps of sugars of equal sizes in the end. I lost 100 LBS simply by cutting these starches out of my diet.

The reason white bread has more sugar is because of the difference between white and wheat flour. Wheat flour is whole wheat germ while white flour is just the sugary, 'delicious' part of the wheat germ. Manufacturers effectively take out the fibery, wholesome part of whole wheat to make it white. What you are left with is MORE of the sugary part with LESS or NONE of the nutritious part to fill you up. You are esentially having to fill up on sugar when you eat white bread. More to your loss is the removed fiber, which would have been able to offset the damage done by the sugar and starch content. Of course it does depend on how refined the germ is. Some 'wheat' bread is just a tiny amout of 100% whole wheat blended with refined (white) flour. So the more refined flour your loaf has, the more sugary and starchy it will be.

In short, white bread DOES contain more sugar than wheat both ON the nutrition facts before digestion AND after the body digests it (effectively).

 

[Mistermj]

no its not white bread is the worst its basically like drinking a coke its sugar in a different form

the higher the fiber and lower the carbs the better the bread

whole wheat, whole grain type stuff the best bread

http://www.blurtit.com/q856361.html

Not only does it have more sugar, but white bread, along with potatoes, corn, carrots, white flour, cane sugar, and white rice, is a STARCH, which effectively converts into (more) sugar upon digestion. So even though a nutrition label might not reflect these foods as having sugar, eating starches is like eating lumps of sugars of equal sizes in the end. I lost 100 LBS simply by cutting these starches out of my diet.

The reason white bread has more sugar is because of the difference between white and wheat flour. Wheat flour is whole wheat germ while white flour is just the sugary, 'delicious' part of the wheat germ. Manufacturers effectively take out the fibery, wholesome part of whole wheat to make it white. What you are left with is MORE of the sugary part with LESS or NONE of the nutritious part to fill you up. You are esentially having to fill up on sugar when you eat white bread. More to your loss is the removed fiber, which would have been able to offset the damage done by the sugar and starch content. Of course it does depend on how refined the germ is. Some 'wheat' bread is just a tiny amout of 100% whole wheat blended with refined (white) flour. So the more refined flour your loaf has, the more sugary and starchy it will be.

In short, white bread DOES contain more sugar than wheat both ON the nutrition facts before digestion AND after the body digests it (effectively).

Yes whole wheat and whole grains will blunt some of the sugar raising properties of the carbs involved...but they still have an enormous excess of sugar.

If you must eat bread, what you are doing is better.

But in the long run, wheat in any form is just no good for you.

 

[tiznow]

a no carb diet isn't healthy IMO

but in general in the age of processed foods

americans intake way to many carbs and sugars and need to reduce it

a chicken salad at mcdonalds with their salad dressing has a ridiculous amount of sugar and carbs and is very unhealthy

 

[Mistermj]

a no carb diet isn't healthy IMO

I agree. Low carb is better.

I won't do Atkins. I'm shooting more for the Mediterranean style.

 

[Mistermj]

a no carb diet isn't healthy IMO

but in general in the age of processed foods

americans intake way to many carbs and sugars and need to reduce it

a chicken salad at mcdonalds with their salad dressing has a ridiculous amount of sugar and carbs and is very unhealthy

The Asian grilled chicken salads rock...with Newmans dressing. It's the only thing to eat there.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/222559/McDonalds-Nutrition-Facts

 

[tiznow]

nah way to much salt and carbs and shit and its processed meats

just make your own with natural shit and vinegar and oil for dressing

fast food regardless of how they market it is bad for you

you can put lipstick on a pig as much as you want but its still a pig regardless

and they always sneak in as much addictive stuff that they can to make you come back craving for another fix

fast food companies like cigarette companies to some extent pack as much addictive shit into their final product as they can

and y atkins sucks it promotes too much meat and fat intake

only carbs and sugar i intake pretty much are from whole wheat bread, fruits and beer

:drink:

regardless of what you eat go with el natural nature made it that way for a reason

like high fructose corn syrup which is in probably 50%+ of the products you buy at the store these days vs. fruits for example much better to take in the sugar the fruit route plus they have anti oxidants and other healthy stuff included with it

its weird i'm a big righty when it comes to most things but i'm a huge hippy when it comes to food shopping at the organic food store

what's sad is we actually need an organic food store

40 years ago when you went to the grocery store that was organic

 

[ScottL]

If this thread gets ugly would it be considered a Flame War? Or a Food Fight?

 

[billbeater]

live and let die :toast:

 

[Paddywack]

About a year and a half ago I declared war against my body. I was fat, lethargic, and ate poorly. I got rid of the junk food, and replaced it with whole foods. I joined a gym, and replaced the fat with lean body mass, i.e, muscle. I added some good cardio routines also. Now I have a chiseled Adonis body. It just takes a lot of dedication and commitment.

 

[Paddywack]

Eggs are great...bread is something you eventually want to get away from.

Wheat, in any form is the worst thing you can eat.

Egg whites are good to eat. You need to cut out the yolk which raises your LDL (the bad type) cholesterol. Whole grain breads are an essential staple of my diet. I don't know what you are talking about here. I'm not close minded, and I look forward to your reasoning on this one.

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

"'Love handles' raise death risk "

Please help my cause by sending 5 drums of this stuff to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Postage PrePd please my friend is a cheap bastard....

 

[DarrylParsons]

Good thread. I try to buy bread on the basis of which one looks the most like shit. Gotta try Tizzybread sometime, looks pretty good.

A tough battle is to find stuff without a bunch of vitamins added to it. Ever try to find flour that's not "enriched" or milk without vitamin D?

Added vitamins sound healthy but they make you crave fat because they gotta be absorbed in something. Reason they put 'em in is because lots of idiots don't pay attention to what they eat and would be malnourished, but for most normal people it's a major OD this way. Needless to say lots of overweight people are great for the economy. Just another way big brother protects us from ourselves.

 

[Paddywack]

The bread I like is Ezekiel 4:9 bread, you can get it at any health food shop and some regular shops.

 

[Willie99]

Scotch, beer, chips, red meat & seafood either buried in butter or fried is pretty much my diet. Almost forgot, pasta, pasta & pasta.

Left over pizza makes a great breakfast too.

now that I'm 50, can't get away with it anymore either, so I cut out pizza for breakfast. Used to play hoops 3x per week until I gave up my life for my kids, now that they're gone, I watch hoops a lot more, but that's just not the same.

I was skinny my whole life, not used to having to lose weight.

Bardude, how about munchies just before bedtime?

 

[Willie99]

The bread I like is Ezekiel 4:9 bread, you can get it at any health food shop and some regular shops.

Italian bread for me, super hard crust and soft inside, I think I'm going out for lunch today.