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[h=1]Extraordinary moment furious Labour MP confronts Red Ken to brand him a 'f****** disgrace' and 'Nazi apologist' over his claim Hitler backed moving the Jews to Israel 'before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews'[/h]
  • Former Mayor of London waded in again to Labour's anti-Semitism storm
  • Livingstone repeated his belief Naz Shah's posts were not anti-Semitic
  • He was confronted by John Mann in an aggressive row in Westminster
  • Livingstone was then challenged on air by Nick Clegg about Hitler claims
  • Shah triggered the storm with Facebook post on re-locating Israel to the US
  • Labour MPs immediately called for Livingstone to be suspended today
By TIM SCULTHORPE, MAILONLINE DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR
PUBLISHED: 10:45, 28 April 2016 | UPDATED: 12:39, 28 April 2016



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MP John Mann today confronted Ken Livingstone at TV studios in Westminster as the angry row over anti-Semitism in Labour escalated explosively.
Mr Mann said the former London mayor was an 'anti-Semite' after Mr Livingstone enraged Labour MPs with a defence of Naz Shah that included a claim Hitler backed moving Jews to Israel 'before he went mad and ended up killing six million' of them.
The angry clash at Millbank - yards from Parliament - saw Mr Mann brand Mr Livingstone as a 'f****** disgrace' and came as more than 10 Labour MPs demanded swift action from Jeremy Corbyn to suspend Mr Livingstone.
Mr Mann said Mr Livingstone was a 'Nazi apologist' who was 're-writing history'. The row began as Mr Livingstone walked into the studios while on the phone doing a live radio interview with LBC.
Mr Livingstone was heard on the radio saying 'I've got a Labour MP threatening me, sorry about this'.
The anti-Semitism row has rocked Labour after Mr Corbyn finally agreed to suspend Ms Shah yesterday over Facebook posts which suggested relocating Israel to the United States.



 

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John Mann confronted Ken Livingstone at the Millbank TV studios in Westminster today, shouting at him while he completed one of many broadcast interviews today

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In the angry exchange, Mr Mann branded the former London mayor as a 'Nazi apologist' who was re-writing history with a claim Adolf Hitler had been a Zionist before committing the Holocaust




 

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Mr Livingstone, who chairs a foreign policy commission for the Labour Party, triggered the latest round of Labour infighting when he told the BBC: 'It's completely over the top but it's not anti-Semitic.
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The ferocious row between Mr Livingstone and Mr Mann was carried out in front of journalists, including Michael Crick of Channel 4 News

'Let's remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel.
'He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews.
'The simple fact in all of this is that Naz made these comments at a time when there was another brutal Israeli attack on the Palestinians.
'And there's one stark fact that virtually no one in the British media ever reports, in almost all these conflicts the death toll is usually between 60 and 100 Palestinians killed for every Israeli.
'Now, any other country doing that would be accused of war crimes but it's like we have a double standard about the policies of the Israeli government.'
Former deputy prime minister Nick Clegg condemned Mr Livingstone live on air as they debated the issue on the BBC Daily Politics.
He said: 'What possesses you to talk about Hitler and your views about Zionism… given the genocide, given the sensitivities of the issue?'
Mr Livingstone insisted he had only quoted history and was answering questions put to him by reporters.
Following the public row, Mr Livingstone also said Mr Mann had gone 'completely over the top' and started 'bellowing' at him while he was conducting a radio interview over the phone.
As the row continued on the BBC, Mr Mann said: 'I think you’ve lost it, Mr Livingstone ... What are you on at the moment? You certainly shouldn’t be on Labour’s national executive.'
Mr Livingstone earlier repeated claims the Facebook posts by Ms Shah were not 'anti-Semitic' and claimed Mr Corbyn was being 'smeared' over the affair.



 

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The start of the row was captured by ITV deputy political editor Chris Ship. Mr Livingstone was on the phone to LBC radio at the time doing a live interview

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As the row escalated as the pair entered the Millbank Studios, Mr Livingstone said 'you saying it's not true?'

As the row grew, shadow Cabinet Minister Chris Bryant condemned anti-Semitism in Parliament and his colleague Luciana Berger tweeted: 'There is no hierarchy of racism. Ken's comments are a disgrace and have no place in our party.'
Mr Bryant said: 'I'm sick and tired of people trying to explain it away and, yes, I'm talking to you, Ken Livingstone.'
A string of Labour MPs joined the criticism today amid calls for Mr Corbyn to 'do more' to 'stop the rot' of anti-Semitism.
The demand for immediate suspension was led by Sadiq Khan, who is bidding to win Mr Livingstone's former office at next week's elections.
He said: 'Ken Livingstone's comments are appalling and inexcusable. There must be no place for this in our Party.'
Michael Dugher, the former shadow culture secretary, said: 'I don't say this often but I agree with John McDonnell. ''If people express these (antisemitic) views, full stop they're out''. Livingstone?



 

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Labour MP Jess Phillips led calls for Mr Livingstone to be suspended over his remarks.
Wes Streeting, another MP, said: 'Please tell me this is satire and didn't actually happen?'
Mr Streeting added: 'Ken Livingstone has form on anti-Semitism and has been tolerated for far too long. He should be suspended immediately.'
Tristram Hunt, the former shadow education secretary, said: 'Ken Livingstone's comments this morning were despicable - he should be suspended from the Party immediately.'
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Sadiq Khan, Labour's candidate for City Hall, led calls for Mr Livingstone to be removed from the Labour Party over his 'appalling' comments

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Labour MP Jess Phillips said Ken Livingstone should be suspended from Labour over his latest remarks

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Michael Dugher, the former shadow culture secretary, said the Labour leadership should follow the advice of the shadow chancellor and kick out Mr Livingstone

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Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy said Mr Livingstone should be suspended immediately because there was no place for his views in the 'Labour family'

Mr Livingstone claimed Albert Einstein had made similar criticisms of Israeli policy.
He said: 'As I've said, I've never heard anybody say anything anti-Semitic, but there's been a very well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as anti-Semitic. I had to put up with 35 years of this...
'Let's look at someone who's Jewish who actually said something very similar to what Naz has just said. Albert Einstein, when the first leader of Likud, the governing party now in Israel, came to America, he warned American politicians: don't talk to this man because he's too similar to the fascists we fought in the Second World War.
'Now, if Naz or myself said that today we would be denounced as anti-Semitic, but that was Albert Einstein.'



 

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This Ken guy reminds me a lot of the guesser.

We also have a white apologist in here.

I wonder what its like to hate your own race.
 

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This Ken guy reminds me a lot of the guesser.

We also have a white apologist in here.

I wonder what its like to hate your own race.

You say a lot of dumb shit. Recognizing that being white gives me advantages that minorities do not have......isn't hating my race. Your brain is unable to understand these things. You're just a meat head.
 

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You say a lot of dumb shit. Recognizing that being white gives me advantages that minorities do not have......isn't hating my race. Your brain is unable to understand these things. You're just a meat head.

So white people shouldn't resist arrest?

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You say a lot of dumb shit. Recognizing that being white gives me advantages that minorities do not have......isn't hating my race. Your brain is unable to understand these things. You're just a meat head.

White hater....that's exactly what you are. Do you realize things like quotas, affirmative action, lower standard requirements for minorities, preferred minority contracts, lower college acceptance requirements...etc. etc. ?

Yeah, I definitely see the advantages. Boy, my parents sure had it good cutting grass and doing landscaping 60 hours a week. Lucky they were white otherwise they couldn't have gotten out of bed before lunch time to support their family.

Talk about saying dumb shit, you are a white hating apologist...in addition to being clueless and a hardcore left wing nut job.
 

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Youre lying again. Posters have pleaded with you to stop doing that.

"Mantis, It doesn't matter if what I post is false" --Sheriff Joe

I never said that. What I said was that I post thousands of memes so I'm not concerned if I get one wrong every now and then. It happens.

You are an epic fail at everything in life, including your lame ass personal attacks. No wonder you spent hours a day talking to yourself in the RR for a year...even the soup kitchen crowd can't stand you anymore.

"Posters have told you to stop doing that" :pointer:
 

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White hater....that's exactly what you are. Do you realize things like quotas, affirmative action, lower standard requirements for minorities, preferred minority contracts, lower college acceptance requirements...etc. etc. ?

Yeah, I definitely see the advantages. Boy, my parents sure had it good cutting grass and doing landscaping 60 hours a week. Lucky they were white otherwise they couldn't have gotten out of bed before lunch time to support their family.

Talk about saying dumb shit, you are a white hating apologist...in addition to being clueless and a hardcore left wing nut job.

Just because I don't hate minorities and think of them as lesser people.....doesn't mean I hate white people. My family is all white dummy.

You only see the world thru your white lens.....it's why you don't understand much of anything that's actually going on.
 

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I never said that. What I said was that I post thousands of memes so I'm not concerned if I get one wrong every now and then. It happens.

You are an epic fail at everything in life, including your lame ass personal attacks. No wonder you had to spend hours a day talking to yourself in the RR for a year...even the soup kitchen crowd can't stand you anymore.

"Posters have told you to stop doing that" :pointer:

"Mantis, it doesn't matter if what I post is false, I'm not running for president"----Sheriff Joe

maybe you forgot which name you were logged in under. You're a con man who sleeps alone forever and spends all day spewing garbage online!!

"when the dust settles Ted Cruz will be the nominee"

" your prediction of Hillary to be president will be worst ever"
 

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The day began with Jeremy Corbyn facing a backlash from inside and out of Labour over his 'dithering' about Naz Shah's Facebook posts yesterday.




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Shadow education secretary Lucy Powell warned Labour had to 'do more' while comedian David Baddiel said there was a real problem on the left.



LABOUR LEADER FACES RISING DEMANDS TO ACT OVER ANTI-SEMITISM



Jeremy Corbyn has faced rising demands to do more on anti-Semitism after Labour expelled and suspended a series of members over the issue.


Labour peer Baroness Royall is already leading an inquiry after Oxford University Labour Club's co-chairman resigned, claiming a 'large proportion' of its members had 'some kind of problem with Jews'.


It was reported today the group includes Mohammad Shabbir, a staff member of Ms Shah who repeatedly used the racial epithet 'zio' in social media posts about Israelis.


Earlier this month, a Labour councillor in Luton Aysegul Gurbuz was suspended after she was alleged to have called Adolf Hitler the 'greatest man in history'.


She said she hoped Iran would use a nuclear weapon to 'wipe Israel off the map'.


In the past weeks, Labour has also twice suspended the deputy chairman of its Woking branch, Vicki Byrne, for posting anti-Semitic tweets

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And the party suspended councillor Khadim Hussain, former Lord Mayor of Bradford, for sharing a Facebook post that said: 'Your school education system only tells you about Anne Frank and the six million Zionists that were killed by Hitler.'


Last month, Labour kicked out Gerry Downing for a second time over allegations he had written blogs including about the 'Jewish question' and made statements seen by some as apologising for the 9/11 terrorists.




 

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RED KEN V HISTORY: ANALYSIS OF WHAT LIVINGSTONE CLAIMED AND WHAT THE FACTS TELL US


By Matt Dathan, MailOnline Political Correspondent


Ken Livingstone was accused of 'rewriting history' with a series of claims about anti-Semitism today. Here we compare Red Ken's claims with the facts.


Red Ken's claim: 'Let's remember, when Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel.


'He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews.'


Actual history: It is very clear from Mein Kampf – written in 1925 – that Hitler did not support moving Jews to Israel.


Hitler wrote: 'While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim.
'It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.


'It is a sign of their rising confidence and sense of security that at a time when one section is still playing the German, French-man, or Englishman, the other with open effrontery comes out as the Jewish race.'


Red Ken's claim: 'Let's look at what someone who is Jewish actually said, something almost very similar to something Naz has just said: Albert Einstein. When the first leader of Likud, the governing party now in Israel, came to America he [Einstein] warned American politicians: 'Don't talk to this man, because he's too similar to the fascists who fought in the Second World War'.


'Now if Naz or myself had said that today we would be denounced as anti-Semitic, but that was Albert Einstein.'



Actual history: Albert Einstein did indeed warn about the 'fascist' intentions of Menachem Begin in a letter to the New York Times.


But this was 25 years before Likud was even launched as a political party and Begin became first leader in 1973 – 18 years after Einstein died.


Red Ken's claim: He said Naz Shah's remarks were 'over the top' but not anti-Semitic.


Explaining his own definition of anti-Semitism, Mr Livingstone told the Daily Politics show today: 'Blurring these two things [criticising Israel and being anti-Semitic] undermines the real importance of anti-Semitism, because a real anti-Semite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington. It's a physical loathing.'


Actual definition:
The definition of anti-Semitism is 'a hatred of Jewish people' – so this would logically include 'Jews in Israel'.
Mr Livingstone's comments suggest hating Israeli Jews is understandable and even excusable.


The Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre said: 'Criticism of the Israeli government is of course entirely legitimate, as it is against any government.


'But when that criticism is expressed in violent language, directed at its people in racist terms or uses references to Hitler and Nazism, it is antisemitic and deeply offensive.


'If the only country in the world that you want to disappear is the Jewish one then you are in very bad company, on the wrong side of history.'




Red Ken's claim: He said it was wrong to say anti-Semitism is racism.



Actual definition: But as Jeremy Corbyn and even Ms Shah said yesterday: 'Anti-Semitism is racism, full stop.'




 

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[h=3]TIMELINE: HOW THE NAZ SHAH ANTI-SEMITISM ROW EXPLODED INTO A LABOUR PARTY BRAWL ON THE STREETS OF WESTMINSTER[/h]TUESDAY APRIL 26
7:53am: The Guido Fawkes website publishes a story revealing that in August 2014, Naz Shah shared a graphic on Facebook which offered a 'solution for Israel-Palestine conflict' that would be 'relocate Israel into United States'. The website said Ms Shah confirmed she was responsible for the post.
11.00am: Ms Shah issues an apology via the website, in which she said 'This post from two years ago was made before I was an MP, does not reflect my views and I apologise for any offence it has caused'.
1.20pm: Ms Shah quits as PPS to shadow chancellor John McDonnell and apologises again, confessing she 'made these posts at the heigh of the Gaza conflict when emotions were running high' but admitting 'that is no excuse'.
WEDNESDAY APRIL 27
11.35am: Shadow energy secretary Lisa Nandy said Ms Shah should be suspended and investigated in line with normal Labour Party rules on anti-Semitism allegations.
11.37am: Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn makes his first intervention, describing the remarks as 'offensive and unacceptable' but accepting a 'fulsome apology'.
12.00pm: Ms Shah's third apology emerges on the Jewish News website, admitting the language used was 'wrong' and 'hurtful' and offering an 'unequivocal apology'.
12.27pm: David Cameron uses Prime Minister's Questions to slam Mr Corbyn for failing to suspend Ms Shah.
12.45pm: Labour spokesman says Mr Corbyn believes the remarks were themselves anti-Semitic but that Ms Shah is not anti-Semitic.
2.35pm: Ms Shah appears in the House of Commons to raise a point of order and make a fourth apology for her remarks. She tells MPs 'anti-Semitism is racism' and promises to help build relations between different faiths.
4.07pm: Labour release a statement claiming Mr Corbyn and Ms Shah have agreed 'mutually' the MP will be 'administratively suspended'.
THURSDAY APRIL 28
09.35am: Ken Livingstone appears on BBC Radio London and claims Hitler backed the removal of Jews before going 'mad' and launching the Holocaust.
10.22am: Jess Phillips becomes the first Labour MP to call for Mr Livingstone to be suspended.
11.42am: Ken Livingstone gives an interview to LBC Radio but is interrupted by John Mann who accuses him of being a 'Nazi apologist'.
12.25pm: Ken Livingstone and John Mann clash again, this time live on the BBC Two Daily Politics show.
1.24pm: The Labour Party issues a statement confirming Mr Livingstone's suspension.




 

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