Explain to me why NBA coaches dont use their heads?

Biggamer3 · Dec 17, 2008

Doc Rivers has been as good as any coach, but i am just using the last few seconds as an example.

Celts up by two with .7 seconds left and Ray Allen shooting one more free throw (hawks still have a timeout)

If Allen misses, its not possible to get rebound and call TO and than get off a normal shot.

Basically a miss Free throw is a guaranteed win, of course NBA players caring more about their stats than in most sports swishes the free throw and the Hawks call TO and Bibby takes a three that was hittable but missed.

Why the need for the no strategy there?

also teams not fouling up 3 with under 5 seconds is beyond retarded

celticGreen+ · Dec 17, 2008

I think the theory is, if you hit the FT there's no shot that can beat you (yet you could tie). If you miss, and foul on a half-court shot you'd be up by 2 with the Hawks taking 3 FTs. It's unlikely, but I can only assume that's the thought process.

celticGreen+ · Dec 17, 2008

Not fouling is because if you foul WHILE he's taking the shot, you're giving them a chance to win as opposed to just giving them a chance to tie.

doubledeuce22 · Dec 17, 2008

Biggamer3 said:
Doc Rivers has been as good as any coach, but i am just using the last few seconds as an example.

Celts up by two with .7 seconds left and Ray Allen shooting one more free throw (hawks still have a timeout)

If Allen misses, its not possible to get rebound and call TO and than get off a normal shot.

Basically a miss Free throw is a guaranteed win, of course NBA players caring more about their stats than in most sports swishes the free throw and the Hawks call TO and Bibby takes a three that was hittable but missed.

Why the need for the no strategy there?

also teams not fouling up 3 with under 5 seconds is beyond retarded

normally yes, but with .7 left, you cannot risk giving the foul as the player is gonna be shooting as soon as he touches the ball.

as for ray allen, i highly doubt he is worried about his stats. you make the ft and you cannot lose the game in regulation.

Biggamer3 · Dec 17, 2008

doubledeuce22 said:
normally yes, but with .7 left, you cannot risk giving the foul as the player is gonna be shooting as soon as he touches the ball.

as for ray allen, i highly doubt he is worried about his stats. you make the ft and you cannot lose the game in regulation.

If he misses the Free Throw, the clock starts the SECOND the ball hits the rim and by the time a Hawk gets it the .7 expires

bigtendominator · Dec 18, 2008

Biggamer3 said:
If he misses the Free Throw, the clock starts the SECOND the ball hits the rim and by the time a Hawk gets it the .7 expires

No, the clock starts when the player touches the ball. So If Boston pulled their players off the FT line, which they probably did, ATL has plenty of time to even let it bounce and catch it clean and call a TO, leaving .6 left.

In College your strategy is correct, but why even open yourself up to losing. If you were up by 1, I would say miss it, but up 2 make the shot. What happens if they miss the FT up 2 with .5 left and you foul Bibby before the ball comes in, now he has 2 shots to tie the game.

Trust me, in football and basketball I can give you every angle for every mathematical scenario.

kobefan08 · Dec 18, 2008

bigtendominator said:
No, the clock starts when the player touches the ball. So If Boston pulled their players off the FT line, which they probably did, ATL has plenty of time to even let it bounce and catch it clean and call a TO, leaving .6 left.

In College your strategy is correct, but why even open yourself up to losing. If you were up by 1, I would say miss it, but up 2 make the shot. What happens if they miss the FT up 2 with .5 left and you foul Bibby before the ball comes in, now he has 2 shots to tie the game.

Trust me, in football and basketball I can give you every angle for every mathematical scenario.

Wrong, the clock starts when the ball hits the rim.. if it doesnt hit the rim then the other team gets the ball on the sideline with 0.7

bigtendominator · Dec 18, 2008

kobefan08 said:
Wrong, the clock starts when the ball hits the rim.. if it doesnt hit the rim then the other team gets the ball on the sideline with 0.7

No it doesn't. So if a free throw hits the rim and goes through does the clock run?

The ball must be touched by a player of any deadball situation before a clock starts.

bigtendominator · Dec 18, 2008

http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-NBARuleBook.pdf

Page 24

doubledeuce22 · Dec 18, 2008

bigtendominator said:
No it doesn't. So if a free throw hits the rim and goes through does the clock run?

The ball must be touched by a player of any deadball situation before a clock starts.

correct.

Addict101 · Dec 18, 2008

I agree, why you wouldn't intentionally miss is beyond me. If Bibby would have made that shot (and he almost did) then Rivers would have been hounded for not instructing Allen to miss intentionally.

Worked out for him luckily.

bigtendominator · Dec 18, 2008

Addict101 said:
I agree, why you wouldn't intentionally miss is beyond me. If Bibby would have made that shot (and he almost did) then Rivers would have been hounded for not instructing Allen to miss intentionally.

Worked out for him luckily.

...and what happens if Bibby hits the 3? YOU LOSE!

celticGreen+ · Dec 18, 2008

You also risk fouls going for the rebound, if you intentionally miss. I don't believe the C's were in the penalty, so the ball would be inbounded after a Hawks time out, on the C's defensive end, with them up 2 and Bibby shooting a 3.

I can see the argument either way, and with .7 seconds it probably doesn't matter 99/100 times. I'm sure there's a way to lose no matter what he does with the FT. I do think I'd rather risk going to OT, than actually losing in regulation (however unlikely it is).

RudyRuetigger · Dec 18, 2008

Doc told me he had Boston -5 early. He was simply trying to let ATL tie it so he could pull away in overtime, thus covering the spread.

Addict101 · Dec 18, 2008

bigtendominator said:
...and what happens if Bibby hits the 3? YOU LOSE!

If Allen would have missed the second free throw there would have been AT LEAST a half of second coming off the clock making a catch and shoot impossible.

Biggamer3 · Dec 18, 2008

addict101 said:
if allen would have missed the second free throw there would have been at least a half of second coming off the clock making a catch and shoot impossible.

bingo!!!

RobFunk · Dec 18, 2008

OK, but. If an Atlanta player makes a clean rebound off a miss. And several Atlanta members are screaming for a time out at that instant. Being the NBA and all don't they just put those few precious tenths back on the clock after a quick review? I am sure we have all seen that before.

I don't claim to have the 100% correct answer here, just wondering.

bigtendominator · Dec 18, 2008

Addict101 said:
If Allen would have missed the second free throw there would have been AT LEAST a half of second coming off the clock making a catch and shoot impossible.

No, in the NBA a half second would have not been called for coming off the clock. there would have been .4 or .5 left.

However, you can't lose up 3. Also, what happens if someone fouls of the of the ball up 2?

Biggamer3 · Dec 18, 2008

I honestly thought the clock starts the second the ball hits the rim, as i saw it happen a few times i believe.

The point about the ball rolling around rim and no time going off is true, so i am kinda stumped here.

If in fact a bench guy can call TO right away then Doc did the right thing