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ESPN came out with a ranking for the all time rankings in college history.
They came up with a numerical method of ranking the teams programs going back to the 1936 season. They assigned point values for everything from winning a national championship to failing to make it to a bowl. Here is the top 20.

1. OU 11. Penn State
2. USC 12. Tennessee
3. Ohio St 13. LSU
4. Notre Dame 14. Georgia
5. Nebraska 15. Florida
6. Alabama 16. UCLA
7. Texas 17. Washington
8. Michigan 18. Georgia Tech
9.Florida State 19. Arkansas
10. Miami, Fl. 20. Texas A&M

They give breakdowns on the positives and the negatives and some interesting factoids and comments. I think this has more to do with tradition and I think it would be interesting if they did a breakdown for each decade and maybe one that covered the programs over the last 25 years only.
 

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ESPN came out with a ranking for the all time rankings in college history.
They came up with a numerical method of ranking the teams programs going back to the 1936 season. They assigned point values for everything from winning a national championship to failing to make it to a bowl. Here is the top 20.

1. OU 11. Penn State
2. USC 12. Tennessee
3. Ohio St 13. LSU
4. Notre Dame 14. Georgia
5. Nebraska 15. Florida
6. Alabama 16. UCLA
7. Texas 17. Washington
8. Michigan 18. Georgia Tech
9.Florida State 19. Arkansas
10. Miami, Fl. 20. Texas A&M

They give breakdowns on the positives and the negatives and some interesting factoids and comments. I think this has more to do with tradition and I think it would be interesting if they did a breakdown for each decade and maybe one that covered the programs over the last 25 years only.


oooh Alabama fans aint gonna like this at all, they may boycott ESPN
 

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List sounds about right.
 

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What is interesting to me is how with so much prestige and tradition some of these schools have completely fallen off the map.
 

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Just checked it. Notre Dame shouldn't be #4 they've been awful in the post season for over a decade.
 

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What is interesting to me is how with so much prestige and tradition some of these schools have completely fallen off the map.

I don't know which teams you are referring to, but I think a lot has to do with the shifts in population over the past 2 decades.
 

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Just checked it. Notre Dame shouldn't be #4

I agree, they should be ranked higher, definitely higher than USC. ESPN chose to start with the 1936 season because that was the first year there was a national poll. In my opinion, a more appropriate starting date would be 1919 because this was when college football became nationalized and 75,000+ stadiums were built. Previously, it operated predominantly in a semi-regionalized campus setting.

College football in the pre-1936 days gave us Knute Rockne, Howard Jones, Pop Warner, the Four Horsemen, the largest crowd ever to see a college football game (e.g., the 1929 game USC vs. Notre Dame at Soldier Field, the largest verified attendance in the history of NCAA football at 112,912).

Of course Oklahoma is going to be number one because ESPN gave points for going to a conference championship game which ND can't go to.

In addition, we were hurt by the rankings because from 1936 until 1968, Notre Dame was the most dominant program in CFB. Yet, we didn't play 1 bowl game.

I think if you can go back in time and have the bowl eligibility requirements be like they are now, ND is #1, USC & OU are in a dogfight for #2.

they've been awful in the post season for over a decade.

That's because they consistently get placed in better bowl games than they deserve because they have the widest fanbase of any team in the country. Every bowl wants Notre Dame because it guarantees ratings and ticket sales.
 

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I think Tim is right. Notre Dame from 1936 to 1968 finished in the top 10 22 times and didn't go to 1 bowl game. According to ESPN, they gave 13 points for going to a major bowl, 26 for winning one, 3 for going to a non major bowl, and 6 for winning one. Notre Dame needs 390 to take 1st place all time, and they could have easily gotten that had they gone bowl games.

USC and OSU were both in conferences that wouldn't allow anyone but their champion to go to a bowl game until 1975. Neither can play a CCG like OU, so it would be possible for USC to jump OU and go into 2nd place behind ND.
 

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I agree, they should be ranked higher, definitely higher than USC. ESPN chose to start with the 1936 season because that was the first year there was a national poll. In my opinion, a more appropriate starting date would be 1919 because this was when college football became nationalized and 75,000+ stadiums were built. Previously, it operated predominantly in a semi-regionalized campus setting.

College football in the pre-1936 days gave us Knute Rockne, Howard Jones, Pop Warner, the Four Horsemen, the largest crowd ever to see a college football game (e.g., the 1929 game USC vs. Notre Dame at Soldier Field, the largest verified attendance in the history of NCAA football at 112,912).

Of course Oklahoma is going to be number one because ESPN gave points for going to a conference championship game which ND can't go to.

In addition, we were hurt by the rankings because from 1936 until 1968, Notre Dame was the most dominant program in CFB. Yet, we didn't play 1 bowl game.

I think if you can go back in time and have the bowl eligibility requirements be like they are now, ND is #1, USC & OU are in a dogfight for #2.

That's because they consistently get placed in better bowl games than they deserve because they have the widest fanbase of any team in the country. Every bowl wants Notre Dame because it guarantees ratings and ticket sales.

Going back 70 years is enough time to establish a list of perennial winners. Without looking up their exact record I can say with little doubt that Notre Dame lost position mostly because they've stunk for the past 9-10 years, especially in big games and big bowl games. All of their bowl games, especially major ones have been losers up to this past year when they beat the 3rd place WAC team. Compared to other schools on the list, that game may even have negatively affected their average score.

I can't remember their last win vs a top 10 team. Meanwhile, during most of this period, USC has almost owned the sport or shared it with a couple of SEC teams and maybe OU too. If there was any reason for ND to be ahead of USC, that might have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore.

But that was a good point you made about ND's popularity and their appeal helping to get them into big bowl games. Notre Dame has a distinct advantage because its popularity affects its postion in this rating system more than any other school. But this isn't about a popularity contest, even though in ND's case popularity means opportunity. It's about alltime power rankings.

Any school that ranks higher than Notre Dame should have greater separation from them considering that ND's popularity makes up for possible lower power ratings, an advantage no other school has. Other schools need a higher power rank to offset ND"s popularity to get the same opportuniies ND gets.

To be fair, this factor should bring ND's score down and make this about powerful football programs instead of the rewards that your popularity gets you. Perhaps bowl losses should count for less to make up for this discrepancy. I don't know the right answer to that.

No one other than ND gets the kind of consideration ND gets that puts ND into a major bowl game. This isn't supposed to be about Network TV money or anything else but college football programs who's rank is based solely on the quality of their play over the years which has earned them their their bowl berths and thus, position in this ranking system.

The obvious conclusion would be that Notre Dame's rank is skewed by it's popularity and therefore it should be rated lower than it is in terms of ranking all time power football programs.
 

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I am not sure if this poll proves much of anything although I think the people who did it were probably fair and did not have an agenda. But going back as far as it does shines a light on the schools who have endured over a long period of time and with relative success. Notre Dame is down now but they have a long successfull past. There was a time when nobody wanted to play Notre Dame. They broke Wilkinson's 49 game winning streak (I was there) and when they got the ball for their last possession there was no doubt in my mind but that Notre Dame was going to score. It was a downer but something deep inside of me admired the poise and determination they showed on that last scoring drive. This poll is interesting but as we all know things change especially over the long haul. Notre Dame is down right now and they do get special treatment by the media but they are always capable of resurrecting at any time because of their tradition.
Actually I was probably as surprised at seeing Washington at no.17 as anything and you have to think back a while to be able to accept Texas A & M at no.20. All in all it is a lot like a book on your coffee table, a conversation piece, and that is about all.
They should have picked a top 10 for each decade and maybe a top 10 for the past 25 years. I am sure that would have made for more and better conversation.
 

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At least the Crap-10/ USC and the dwarves put 3 (6 for the SEC) in the top 20:toast:

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Touchy touchy. Figures something like this would get under an SEC blowhard's skin. Guess what goofball, it was said as a joke between me and an SEC guy who isn't a lamer like you. You must be known as the life of the party.

They got your rank pretty close, 15th right next to UCLA and UW, a couple of second level Pac-10 teams. When you've been around long enough to do something really significant, and not just for a couple of years, your Gators might pass up Miami or Florida State or even Tennessee.
 

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Touchy touchy. Figures something like this would get under an SEC blowhard's skin. Guess what goofball, it was said as a joke between me and an SEC guy who isn't a lamer like you. You must be known as the life of the party.

They got your rank pretty close, 15th right next to UCLA and UW, a couple of second level Pac-10 teams. When you've been around long enough to do something really significant, and not just for a couple of years, your Gators might pass up Miami or Florida State or even Tennessee.

I actually was having a little back at ya using your own stuff, but of course you have to be the prick that you usually are. And to satisfy your suspicions, I usually am the life of the party. You probably don't get invited to too many of them, so your assumptions are not really that good. Keep on the skewing of the facts that your so good at doing. ^^:)
 

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I actually was having a little back at ya using your own stuff, but of course you have to be the prick that you usually are. And to satisfy your suspicions, I usually am the life of the party. You probably don't get invited to too many of them, so your assumptions are not really that good. Keep on the skewing of the facts that your so good at doing. ^^:)

That sounds like a large pile of bullshit lies. There's nothing about your post that sounded like fun to anyone. Just read your offensive and disrespectful name calling crap and explain the humor in that, Mr. party animal. At best you are ambiguous.

I said nothing insulting until you came off with ambiguous insulting shit about the "Pac-crap." When have I ever shit all over anything you posted?

Your reaction to my joking with Chris (who is much smarter than you) is typical of a blowhard egotistical SEC fanatic that can't handle a joke even when it's obvious.

Explain to me how your personal insults and name calling had anything to do with "my stuff back at ya"... bullshit.

Tell me party animal, is calling the Pac-10 the Pac-crap supposed to be some kind of rib splitting humor? Is that supposed to be a classy retort or what? I'd like to know because if that's what you call humor, my next question is do you still have all your teeth?
 

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Notre Dame is horrible though?

Well I don't think we're going to be "horrible" next year but that's besides the point. There is a reason it's the "prestige" rankings, not "best team in last decade" rankings.

11 national championships, 7 Heisman Trophy winners. Fairly prestigious history.
 

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That sounds like a large pile of bullshit lies. There's nothing about your post that sounded like fun to anyone. Just read your offensive and disrespectful name calling crap and explain the humor in that, Mr. party animal. At best you are ambiguous.

I said nothing insulting until you came off with ambiguous insulting shit about the "Pac-crap." When have I ever shit all over anything you posted?

Your reaction to my joking with Chris (who is much smarter than you) is typical of a blowhard egotistical SEC fanatic that can't handle a joke even when it's obvious.

Explain to me how your personal insults and name calling had anything to do with "my stuff back at ya"... bullshit.

Tell me party animal, is calling the Pac-10 the Pac-crap supposed to be some kind of rib splitting humor? Is that supposed to be a classy retort or what? I'd like to know because if that's what you call humor, my next question is do you still have all your teeth?

Dude, lighten the fuck up. You take a shit on the SEC at every opportunity you can. Making a joking reference of calling the Pac-10 the Crap-10 is just a joke. It's sort of like calling the Big East the Big Least, The Big 10 the Little 11 and the ACC the All Crap Conference.

To answer your question, yes, I still do have all my teeth with the exception of one wisdom tooth which was pulled. I never seen someone get so offended at something like this. Do you work for the Pac-10; because it seems as if I insulted someone in your family? I apologize for offending you so by calling them the Crap-10. Offensive and disrespectful are the words you use to describe what I did. You must live a very sheltered life to be so offended when a random fan uses the word "crap". Learn to lighten up a little bit.

As far how your typical posts work around here, you actually do a very good job with your analysis of the Pac-10. So much so, that I read all of your write-ups and think they are very insightful. If you could go one day w/out taking a shot at the SEC, you'd probably be a little bit more reputable as an unbiased college football fan, but it appears that won't happen. Good luck to you in your plays, and I do apologize if you were truly that offended by what I wrote.
 

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Touchy touchy. Figures something like this would get under an SEC blowhard's skin. Guess what goofball, it was said as a joke between me and an SEC guy who isn't a lamer like you. You must be known as the life of the party.

They got your rank pretty close, 15th right next to UCLA and UW, a couple of second level Pac-10 teams. When you've been around long enough to do something really significant, and not just for a couple of years, your Gators might pass up Miami or Florida State or even Tennessee.


UF has more National titles than most of the teams on this list.

I'm surprised you still post here man, you got whored up down these boards for weeks! It's so clear that you are completely jealous of the SEC. You bring up time frames that only support your arguments.

Fact is... SEC has an all time winning record vs the PAc-shit. More National titles, More (and wayyy better) NFL players, better coaches with more titles, etc etc. But from 2001-2003 the Pac Ten logged more air miles so I'll give you that one. :):)
 

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