IMO public numbers in title games dont matter.
What is more of a factor is when there are 50 games to choose from and the public is all over 1 certain side.
And if "Vegas knew" they would not play the games. Nobody knows what will happen, but they know more than just about anyone about the games.
What is more of a factor is when there are 50 games to choose from and the public is all over 1 certain side.
And if "Vegas knew" they would not play the games. Nobody knows what will happen, but they know more than just about anyone about the games.
You're missing the point.
Some people are convinced (prior to games), that the line setters know what/how the game will go, and set the line accordingly to get people to bet one way or the other.
If that was so, they would have set the total at like 49 or something, and then watched money pour in on the Over like there was no tomorrow.
So long story short, enough with using that reasoning prior to the game to decide which bet you should take. Yeah?
You're completely deluded if you don't think that vegas/books have a good idea of how a game will turnout more often than not and manipulate the line to seduce bettors one way or the other.
Thats not to say games are "fixed" (..not all the time anyway) but vegas has the luxury of knowledge (how many times have you seen sides/totals push or come down to the hook?) of how the games may play out and the ability to put out lines (where else ya gonna go??) that seduce bettors one way or the other.
Not say in that was the case tonight, but you'd be a fool to think it hasn't happened or will not happen again in the future. Its the business son.
Vegas doesn't try to "seduce" bettors one way or the other...it's all numbers.
If they get more money on one side, they adjust the spread and try to get more money on the other side.... if the betting is way lopsided...they'll continue to adjust the spread and hope the majority is wrong....even if the majority is right and they lose, they have just as many games where the majority was wrong and vegas won. Their ultimate goal is to have equal $$$ on both sides and take the juice.
to me, you're the deluded one if you think vegas can predict the game and manipulate bettors...that sounds a bit...crazy.
If they get more money on one side, they adjust the spread and try to get more money on the other side.... if the betting is way lopsided...they'll continue to adjust the spread and hope the majority is wrong....even if the majority is right and they lose, they have just as many games where the majority was wrong and vegas won. Their ultimate goal is to have equal $$$ on both sides and take the juice.
to me, you're the deluded one if you think vegas can predict the game and manipulate bettors...that sounds a bit...crazy.
lol... nope...does mar 2006 strike you as new...
i don't think you're very good with numbers. do you know how many years and months are between Jan 2009 and March 2006?
Also, your quote
"(how many times have you seen sides/totals push or come down to the hook?) of how the games may play out and the ability to put out lines (where else ya gonna go??) that seduce bettors one way or the other."
do you have numbers of how many time the vegas line has been way off the actual result. I think you're taking notice of games that come down to the wire and attribute it "Vegas Knowledge"... there are more games where vegas line is off the actual line than when vegas has the line spot on and it comes down to a tie or OT or last second score decides the spread winner.
Do you follow statistics or run any statistical analysis to back up your theories of "Vegas Knowledge" manipulating bettors?
You're finding patterns which aren't there and making up theories based on these false patterns.
i don't think you're very good with numbers. do you know how many years and months are between Jan 2009 and March 2006?
Also, your quote
"(how many times have you seen sides/totals push or come down to the hook?) of how the games may play out and the ability to put out lines (where else ya gonna go??) that seduce bettors one way or the other."
do you have numbers of how many time the vegas line has been way off the actual result. I think you're taking notice of games that come down to the wire and attribute it "Vegas Knowledge"... there are more games where vegas line is off the actual line than when vegas has the line spot on and it comes down to a tie or OT or last second score decides the spread winner.
Do you follow statistics or run any statistical analysis to back up your theories of "Vegas Knowledge" manipulating bettors?
You're finding patterns which aren't there and making up theories based on these false patterns.
RRC, this is pretty basic stuff man. I don't care how many vegas documentaries you've watched on the discovery channel. If vegas crunches their internal numbers for Team A v. Team B and decide that Team B will win by a FG yet the public perception is that Team A is the stronger team, they will put out a line that *seduces* the betting public to bet that team KNOWING there is a good chance that Team B wins SU.
This happens ALL the time man. I'm not saying it happens EVERY game, but you're a fool if you think vegas only puts out lines in order to get an even amount of money on both sides only to collect on the juice. Its bad business.
This happens ALL the time man. I'm not saying it happens EVERY game, but you're a fool if you think vegas only puts out lines in order to get an even amount of money on both sides only to collect on the juice. Its bad business.
"Basic Stuff". You're right man. you got it figured out. An industry that saddles Billions of $$$ from Juice and House Odds are intentionally manipulating the public. you could be right.
Do you think the Automatic Shuffle machines they use are programmed to give Vegas a better edge than if a normal human dealer shuffled. i do. so maybe you're right.
Those greedy bastards don't make enough of the juice that they try and manipulate more out of the public by finding games where they can score more money and programming shuffle machines where they win more...
It could be true. In those cases, stay away from shuffle machines... and i LOVE those games where vegas knows public perception is wrong and the lines are off... cuz those are the ones to bet big. but how do you know if you know what vegas knows or that you know more than the public?
Do you think the Automatic Shuffle machines they use are programmed to give Vegas a better edge than if a normal human dealer shuffled. i do. so maybe you're right.
Those greedy bastards don't make enough of the juice that they try and manipulate more out of the public by finding games where they can score more money and programming shuffle machines where they win more...
It could be true. In those cases, stay away from shuffle machines... and i LOVE those games where vegas knows public perception is wrong and the lines are off... cuz those are the ones to bet big. but how do you know if you know what vegas knows or that you know more than the public?
