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Less than three months ago, Elite XC was celebrating the most-watched mixed martial arts event ever in North America, the sport’s debut on CBS featuring Kimbo Slice.

Today, numerous questions are being asked about the future of the company, which canceled two shows in the past week and had several internal layoffs and the resignations of key officers over the last month.

And just as the first network television show on May 31 was a key event in MMA history, the third show, featuring Kimbo’s next match on Oct. 4, seems just as important.

The Sept. 20 Showtime event scheduled for Albuquerque, N.M., was canceled on Friday, just days after the card was announced. In addition, a show called Cage Rage Contenders, run out of the company’s London, England, Cage Rage promotion, scheduled for last weekend was canceled just days ahead of time.

A filing on Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission noted the company was spending significant time and resources to raise up to $3 million in new financing. Company filings also state the promotion has lost about $30 million since its debut show in early 2007.

But the filing notes that even if the financing closes, and if the company makes significant reductions in expenses, the new funding would only be sufficient to carry the company through the end of the year.

Amidst all this, Elite XC has a show that simply needs to draw ratings on CBS from the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla. Slice (3-0) is scheduled against an opponent to be named, and Gina Carano (6-0) is expected to face Kelly Kobold-Gavin (16-2).

After ratings dropped 43 percent for the second CBS show on July 26, built on providing championship matches and action fights, the hope is the Slice and Carano, the main draws for the first show, will bring the numbers back up. Elite XC and CBS have one more event after this remaining on their contract.

Elite is in a precarious position having to rely on two stars, particularly Slice, as the key to its future. Slice has a new television commercial for Nike with NFL star LaDainian Tomlinson and is a huge Internet celebrity from YouTube videos. There is a great curiosity about seeing him fight.

But he’s also 34, inexperienced, and struggled to beat journeyman James Thompson on the first CBS show. Unless he shows incredible improvement in record time, there is likely to be a short shelf life in fascination with him.

While the company was criticized for headlining him on the first show, after the drop in ratings when trying to promote better fighters, there is little alternative at this time.

The only opponent that would come close to guaranteeing good ratings is Tito Ortiz, who in the past had talked of being willing to move to the heavyweight division to face Slice. But it doesn’t appear they have the money to afford Ortiz, who hasn’t made a deal with the high-spending Affliction promotion due to the sides being well apart financially.

There also has been a mass exodus of front office staff, including Gary Shaw, who had been the public face of the promotion since its inception, and Doug DeLuca, the chairman of the board, who had been directing the business end. Both resigned days before the last CBS/Showtime card in Stockton, Calif., although it wasn’t made public until after the event. Other employees were let go in the days before the show. More employees were gone last week, the most notable was Patrick Freitas, who worked as a matchmaker for their Hawaii-based Icon Sports promotion.

DeLuca, just before his resignation, noted that television was not paying enough to sustain the company. That’s a key reason why Elite XC ended up on CBS in the first place. The network had been in serious talks with UFC, but UFC didn’t feel the terms were acceptable, even with all the advantages of network prestige and potential increases in viewership.

The CBS deal calls for a $1 million stock purchase every time they televise a show, and an undisclosed but smaller rights fee. DeLuca noted the only way to sustain the promotion long-term is to be successful on pay-per-view, which up to this point nobody in the MMA business has been able to make work financially except UFC.

Elite XC company had talked about doing a pay-per-view early next year, but it’s hard to put together a lineup that would work with UFC dominating that marketplace with monthly shows.

To keep Slice alive as the draw they need him to be, they can’t afford to match him with any top-level fighters. His best bet for TV ratings purposes would be past-their-prime pioneers such as Ken Shamrock or Don Frye. But at some point, the public would see through such one-sided matchups.

The difficulties in finding a match for Slice underscores a Rubik’s cube like puzzle in the sport, and that is, exactly what does it take to consistently draw and keep viewers?

The wide variances in television ratings in recent months for not only Elite XC, but also World Extreme Cagefighting, have to have all promoters of the game concerned. The lesson seems to be that if a show is hyped big enough and has the right stars or the right big match, it can be very successful on television. But just putting good MMA matches on television isn’t enough, and as for building an audience base by putting on good shows, it doesn’t seem to matter.

The 1.7 rating for Elite XC’s July 26 card, which even in the Saturday night wasteland for television is unacceptable for a major network, underscored a long-term problem. Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith had a great action fight on the first CBS show for the middleweight title, which ended controversially when Smith was poked in the eye and ruled unable to continue. A rematch on the second show, which Lawler won by knockout, promised similar action and delivered.

The second show promised far better action than the first, but the casual fan who makes the difference in ratings didn’t care. Even worse, the event was not just a CBS show. The first hour aired on Showtime, a primary owner of the company, including a match where Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva beat Justin Eilers to become the company’s first heavyweight champ.

It only drew a 0.7 rating, the lowest yet for a major Showtime event.

WEC suffered a similar lesson on Aug. 3. Its prior show on June 1, featuring a much-hyped Urijah Faber featherweight title defense over Jens Pulver, did a 1.4 rating, one of the largest audiences in the history of the Versus network. The show delivered with the main event and bantamweight champ Miguel Angel Torres’ win over Yoshiro Maeda being two of the year’s best matches.

The company, which has always delivered as far as show quality, came back last week and fell to what was the company’s average rating before June with a 0.5 rating. The message seemed to be if a match is hyped to death and has the right personalities, like Faber vs. Pulver, they can draw a big audience. But even with all those new viewers that were likely satisfied, few came back to see Carlos Condit, Brian Stann and Jamie Varner all defend championships.

The next show, on Sept. 10, pits Faber vs. Mike Brown. Brown (19-4, but only one loss as a featherweight)is a powerhouse at 145 pounds, but is unknown to all but the most ardent fan.
 

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how about some cliff's notes fake mod.

seriously is this surprising anyone? been saying it was an inferior product for 6 months.
 

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how about some cliff's notes fake mod.

seriously is this surprising anyone? been saying it was an inferior product for 6 months.

They are trying to borrow money. Most of the higher ups are resigning. Their last CBS show with Lawler/Smith 2 did about the same rating as Faber/Pulver did on the freakin Versus network that many don't even get.
 

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Here's my simple solution:

Put Mike Tyson in with Kimbo. Bang, ratings bonanza. Give Iron Mike a cut of the gate, maybe even take a dive or have a DQ and get a rematch.

Don King 101.
 

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yeah its serious

it they dont get goods ratings in October they might be done

but they pulling out all the stops with Gina and Kimbo
 

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Who cares, the EliteXC sucks, Kimbo is a joke, and Gina is all about the glory.

The EliteXC is full of average fighters with not ceiling as far as future potential, except Antonio Silva. These small companies do everything so wrong when starting up it's not even funny.
 

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elite xc has a good stable of fighters, problem is not enough people are fans of mma in general for them to cover all their costs as they have to pay their top dollar (in some cases far too much).

i thought the show xc this weekend was very entertaining.

i saw a shoxc in jan. live with eddie alverez and paul daley on the card, these are top level guys. the realisticly have a decent amount of prospects including the guy who ko'd waterman (herman i think), the cat that trains with silva (felijo?) wilson reis, some others that slip my mind now to go with top fighters (not nec. top 10, but established pro's) such as big foot, diaz, shields, lawler, villasenor, ninja, fickett. the problem is i think they spread themselves too thin in the last year. imo i would scrap all their showtime shows, like they did to the sept 20th, except the sho exs and focus all their talent on the cbs shows. use the sho ex to promote prospects and pull the best fighters out of all the orgs they bought up (like hose in icon) and put on sho/xc shows that are still under the banner of the lower org. like cage rage, icon, ritc, spirit and whatever else they bought up.

would be a shame if thye had to fold as i enjoy watching mma and it is hard to concieve the ufc being able to put on enough events to keep all the talent busy.
 

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EliteXC has some excellent fighters but they just aren't the big names that will draw in the casual fan.
 

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Antonio Silva and Jake Shields are about all they got IMO as far as talent.

Robbie Lawler is a solid fighter, but he's always going to be a pretender IMO.

Joey Villasenor is a solid fighter, but he's a 3rd fight type guy at best.

I hope you don't consider Phil Baroni in your listings.

When Kimbo Slice, a internet icon, and Gina Cirano, eye candy, are all you have to market, at some point he ceiling is going to fall. IMO, EliteXC simply jumped up too high too fast and shelled out too much money and got themselves in trouble.
 

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Antonio Silva and Jake Shields are about all they got IMO as far as talent.

Robbie Lawler is a solid fighter, but he's always going to be a pretender IMO.

Joey Villasenor is a solid fighter, but he's a 3rd fight type guy at best.

I hope you don't consider Phil Baroni in your listings.

When Kimbo Slice, a internet icon, and Gina Cirano, eye candy, are all you have to market, at some point he ceiling is going to fall. IMO, EliteXC simply jumped up too high too fast and shelled out too much money and got themselves in trouble.

no i didnt consider baroni above, but now that you mention him, he is another asset they have. he has a fan base and is marketable and is 2-0 since he has moved to ww. baroni has proven that he is not an elite fighter at mw, but i would like to see more of him at ww. jake shields, paul daley, nick thompson, drew fickett and baroni is a start to a decent ww division. plus they ae willing to work with other orgs to bring in fighters. i know it is thin, but i think pro elite is banking on creating their own stars by bringin guys up through the orgs they bought up.

eddie alverez may be the best lightweight in the world next to bj penn and he is signed to elite xc, he clearly showed that in his destruction of the dream lw gp prior to the injury.

not really sure how anyone can call robbie lawler a pretender. imo he would hang with any of the ufc's middleweights right now except andersen silva. i would love to see lawler/cote, leben or bisping. i think he has a good chin and great hands and looks more an more impressive every time he fights, he has fought a whose who of top level fighters and is only 25 i believe. plus he gained experience uner fire in the ufc when he wasnt even old enough to drink beer. i think his upside is huge.

as for villasenor it is hard to say, he most likely is a third from top kinda guy, but i find all of his fight exciting, he comes from a great camp and he would be an asset to a televised card in any org imo.

i think you are selling elite xc short...
what if there card in oct looked like this

kimbo v. ???? - doesnt matter who kimbo fights, he is a personality people want to see and he is young in the sport, its his fourth fight, i think bret rodgers might be a step up to soon.

gina v anyone.

robbie lawler v frank shamrock - pontential match-up tith cung le for the winner.

diaz v noons

shields v paul daley

this would be an awsome card to watch imo and i know elite xc will be choppin to get eddie alverez on this october card in some capacity.
 

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baroni is better for them than average joe shmo fighters

at least he will bring in viewers and is some what of a name
 

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OMG Shamrock would destroy Lawler. Not even a fight imo.

Elite sucks ass. They put on a terrible show.
 

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