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Good work here for my cyber colleague Radley Balko with his first in a series of columns for Reason.com

Balko's previous writing has included steady gigs with FoxNews.com and the Cato Institute's website.

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http://www.reason.com/news/show/134579.html

The El Paso Miracle

How can a comparatively poor, high-immigration town that sits across the border from super-violent Ciudad Juarez be one of the safest big cities in America?

By conventional wisdom, El Paso, Texas should be one of the scariest cities in America. In 2007, the city's poverty rate was a shade over 27 percent, more than twice the national average. Median household income was $35,600, well below the national average of $48,000. El Paso is three-quarters Hispanic, and more than a quarter of its residents are foreign-born.

Given that it's nearly impossible for low-skilled immigrants to work in the United States legitimately, it's safe to say that a significant percentage of El Paso's foreign-born population is living here illegally.


El Paso also has some of the laxer gun control policies of any non-Texan big city in the country, mostly due to gun-friendly state law. And famously, El Paso sits just over the Rio Grande from one of the most violent cities in the western hemisphere, Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, home to a staggering 2,500 homicides in the last 18 months alone. A city of illegal immigrants with easy access to guns, just across the river from a metropolis ripped apart by brutal drug war violence. Should be a bloodbath, right?


Here's the surprise: There were just 18 murders in El Paso last year, in a city of 736,000 people. To compare, Baltimore, with 637,000 residents, had 234 killings. In fact, since the beginning of 2008, there were nearly as many El Pasoans murdered while visiting Juarez (20) than there were murdered in their home town (23).


El Paso is among the safest big cities in America. For the better part of the last decade, only Honolulu has had a lower violent crime rate (El Paso slipped to third last year, behind New York). Men's Health magazine recently ranked El Paso the second "happiest" city in America, right after Laredo, Texas—another border town, where the Hispanic population is approaching 95 percent.


So how has this city of poor immigrants become such an anomaly? Actually, it may not be an anomaly at all. Many criminologists say El Paso isn't safe despite its high proportion of immigrants, it's safe because of them.


"If you want to find a safe city, first determine the size of the immigrant population," says Jack Levin, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Massachusetts. "If the immigrant community represents a large proportion of the population, you're likely in one of the country's safer cities. San Diego, Laredo, El Paso—these cities are teeming with immigrants, and they're some of the safest places in the country."

If you regularly listen to talk radio, or get your crime news from anti-immigration pundits, all of this may come as a surprise. But it's not to many of those who study crime for a living. As the national immigration debate heated up in 2007, dozens of academics who specialize in the issue sent a letter (pdf) to then President George W. Bush and congressional leaders with the following point:


Numerous studies by independent researchers and government commissions over the past 100 years repeatedly and consistently have found that, in fact, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or to be behind bars than are the native-born. This is true for the nation as a whole, as well as for cities with large immigrant populations such as Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Miami, and cities along the U.S.-Mexico border such as San Diego and El Paso.


One of the signatories was Rubén G. Rumbaut, a sociologist who studies immigration at the University of California, Irvine. Rumbaut recently presented a paper on immigration and crime to a Washington, D.C. conference sponsored by the Police Foundation. Rumbaut writes via email,

"The evidence points overwhelmingly to the same conclusion: Rates of crime and conviction for undocumented immigrants are far below those for the native born, and that is especially the case for violent crimes, including murder."

Opponents of illegal immigration usually do little more than cite andecdotes attempting to link illegal immigration to violent crime. When they do try to use statistics, they come up short. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), for example, has perpetuated the popular myth that illegal immigrants murder 12 Americans per day, and kill another 13 by driving drunk. King says his figures come from a Government Accountability Office study he requested, which found that about 27 percent of inmates in the federal prison system are non-citizens. Colorado Media Matters looked into King's claim, and found his methodology lacking. King appears to have conjured his talking point by simply multiplying the annual number of murders and DWI fatalities in America by 27 percent. Of course, the GAO report only looked at federal prisons, not the state prisons and local jails where most convicted murderers and DWI offenders are kept. The Bureau of Justice Statistics puts the number of non-citizens (including legal immigrants) in state, local, and federal prisons and jails at about 6.4 percent (pdf). Of course, even that doesn't mean that non-citizens account for 6.4 percent of murders and DWI fatalities, only 6.4 percent of the overall inmate population.

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Guns are why not illegal immigration

Check out crime rates in big liberal gun grabing cities with a large immigrant population

I got a good example for instance outside of the us

Malaysia has a signifant poor Indonesian illegal immigration population and many ride around on bikes with machetes robbing people in broad daylight as nobody owns guns there so there is no deterrent to crime

If u were an illegal to the us looking to do so crime one of the last places I'd want to set up shop in is el paso
 

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in addition at the start it points out that el paso is a poor town

poor people don't have shit to rob and don't have much money to spend on drugs and shit

also being a border town i'm guessing it is somewhat of a transfer region for smuggling guns and drugs across the border into the US so they want to keep a low profile in those areas and such....

in addition many of the guns found in mexico where crime is high are sold across the border in el paso most likely

its a very dynamic complex situation

but its fun to cherry pick data and think immigration is the reason why the area sees a low crime rate
 

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Actually, what I received from Balko's commentary was the inverse message.

Not that "immigration lowers crime" (neccesarily)

But rather El Paso provides a strong counter to the insistent anti-immigration crowd who purports that increased immigrants assure dramatic increases in violent crime.
 

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obviously the right blows things out of proporation on that front

but the "fix" to the situation is promote LEGAL immigration and don't promote illegal immigration

the hoops you have to jump through to immigrate legally continue to go up

while the incentives to not play by the rules continue to increase free health care, welfare etc....starting to say ahhh....we'll give you a free pass if you here already and cheated your way into our country

LEGAL immigrants to the US despise illegal immigrants with a passion probably moreso then a RR type LOL
 

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Certainly not all.

One of the major facilitators for illegal immigration from the south are people who have already legally immigrated from same country(s).
 

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Tiz, the EP is a poor town so theres nothing to steal arguement is worthy of willie99. There are still lots of people down there with lost and lots of neat shit.
 

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well if they trying to help friends and family i suppose...

i guess i'm talking from the standpoint of well educated legal immigrants that i know personally and they all aren't mexican either....mainly of asian decent

and regardless of what you "feel" is the right thing regarding immigration in that we should help the less fortunate and poor people have a part of what we call america

in the end the economic strength of a nation will mainly be determined by its braincell capacity

and we are much better off as a nation allowing smart bright minds into our country rather than poor uneducated folk who are more likely to be in need of government assistance or something of that nature during their stay in our country

not to mention many of the uneducated immigrants will come here for a while while things are good...do things like "buy" (take out no money down mortgages) up homes during housing bubbles...take out lots of credit cards....and than when shit hits the fan they'll run on home back to mexico leaving us citizens holding the bag....

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bottom line like most issues in america today

the right answer to our problems is between the right (anti immigration) and left (lax borders, promote welfare, illegal immigration etc.)
 

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Tiz, the EP is a poor town so theres nothing to steal arguement is worthy of willie99. There are still lots of people down there with lost and lots of neat shit.

i dunno just throwing out other potential variable in the situation

all i'm trying to say is its a very complex situation and pointing to one data point to come to one conclusion is useless
 

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my point is if i were a criminal would i want to rob people in el paso texas where poverty is high and any house or i walk into has a pretty good probablity of having a gun/weapon owner at the residence

or would i want to go to a liberal city like chicago or LA or something where there is alot of wealth...and a large portion of the population aren't gun/weapon owners....and in addition in those cities common things like car burgleries and things of that nature are treated as a nuicense by the law enforcement officials
 

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also all the liberal arguements that there aren't enough people in the US to do low wage jobs are falling on their face hard right now that we are now facing economic reality of our situation

and honestly the quickest "fix" to our economic situation is actually via the immigration route

give hoards of visas to bright wealthy educated immgrants who will come here buy homes, create businesses or be productive workers for businesses and help create jobs for america.....

that's how canada does it to some extent think if you have a certain amount of wealth you pretty much guaranteed a visa

government doesn't create jobs in the end and "stimulus" doesn't work it only delays the inevitable and gives people less incentive to find work or be productive members of society not sucking on the government tit....people and business owners do

anyway i'm rambling now and going on tangents as usual....
 

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Actually, what I received from Balko's commentary was the inverse message.

Not that "immigration lowers crime" (neccesarily)

But rather El Paso provides a strong counter to the insistent anti-immigration crowd who purports that increased immigrants assure dramatic increases in violent crime.


Bar,

I view most illegals as hard working and honest. My fear is their offspring. While the original illegals are here working two or more jobs and are uneducated, nobody is at home with the kids teaching them the importance of an education and being a positive influence in their lives. As those kids age they mingle and join gangs causing the increase in violent crimes and other illegal activities.
 

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This is a group of guys discussing a topic they damn well know the answer to and trying their ass off to come up with any other reason but the obvious (and correct) one....
 

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did one just argue that violent crime is down because of illegal immigrants?

1) why is the crime rate in El Paso's sister city across the border so high? are these not the same people?

2) more importantly, how is this theory working out in other US cities? Surely, if remotely true, a pattern would be easy to recognize.

3) does local law enforcement have anything to do with it? Rudy literally changed NYC, and it wasn't about making illegal things legal either
 

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Anyone really wanting to know how ridiculous this article really is should visit El Paso sometime.

I've been there twice. Several days each visit.

I will admit the bars and nightlife there are quite festive, eventhough I kind of slipped out the door before it got too late. Mexicans can get a bit wild after one too many tequilas. The city does have some excellent scenery as well.

In large sections of the city, every window is covered with steel bars. Hotels have visible security patrolling parking lots. Similar to what a person sees in cities like Detroit, LA, LV, Miami, etc.

Single-family homes more often look like something in a third world country versus one of the safest cities lacking excessive criminal activity.

I suppose the author of the ridiculous article along with the politically left-wing extremist moderating this forum, would pontificate about a lack of shootings & murders in a particular city without knowing and/or including in the discussion that each inhabitant had previously been issued a complete set of body armor.

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Standard El Paso listing.



Feel happy knowing you are living cheerful in this security cell/condo in a great city and neighborhood. Few shootings and home burglaries have dramatically fallen since all the burglars have either killed each other, starved to death, or now install security bars to earn a living. Great schools...very homogenous neighborhood schools. Buy this prison cell and we will waive the homeowners' association dues for the first 5 years until the lawn sprouts.
 

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The 2 points that the article made were 1. Low murder rate 2. happy people.

Crimes against property must be a lot higher than violent crime, I also have visited there many times and know that the city is not crime free.

Every year or two I read a quality of life study for the state and EP always ranks as one of the best cities. I think it has fallen off some since all the drug wars across the border. Plus all the added security involved in crossing the border.
 

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But Punter, don't forget how those "Mexicans act after a couple of tequilas"
 

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Drunkards are discouraged in Mexico just as they are here and you dont see many in the interior, However, easily the most deadly confrontations in saloon parking lots in Dallas are the Hispanic bars.

In the interior you cannot attend a dance unless you have a partner. That rule makes sense, but doubt you could enforce it here.
 

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