so you saying Mahomes is a system qb?
I don't like the 18th guy's chances anymore than the 8th. That's my point. There are other variables that come into play.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand "the market"...I'm simply saying "the market" is irrational and therefore wrong. I get that agents want 75% of Mahomes money because they have the stats to prove their client is 75% as good as Mahomes...but that is not how the real football world works in terms of team performance/results on the field.
The stars are never overpaid and they draw in the fans. It's the middle tier interchangeable guys that are driving salary inflation, which applies to every professional sports league.
If there is some massive flaw in team building and inefficiency to exploit by rolling out a bum QB and having your “system/coaching” prop him up while putting the savings into other positions then Someone should just do that and smash fools.
Im not seeing it. Here and there like the 9ers (all you gotta do is draft like 8 studs, good luck) but it’s pretty rare because the inefficiency to exploitn isnt there.
No but he benefits from one of the best offensive minds ever
Nobody can say much of Mahomes' success isn't due to Andy Reid
Yep, Andy Reid was winning division titles with Alex Smith as his QB.
In the last SB, Reid's offensive schemes kept a hobbling Mahomes insulated from mistakes. Mahomes wasn't asked to make any plays any other middle-tier QB couldn't have made. That's what great coaching does.
Throw Mahomes on the Colts or Broncos and how many SBs does he have? Zero.
He should get a really high draft pick with this strategy next season
so just smash the inefficiency, see post #76
then you, the bettor, smash the team smashing the inefficiency
The inefficiency doesn’t really exist like you think it does, which you basically just said in an above post
Lol @ the BB antidote, NE spent huge 2021 FA so you just made that shit up. It sounded kinda cool if I wasn’t in the thread, I guess.
Daniel Jones is not garbage.
He finally has a decent OL after playing for years behind very incompetent ca ca level blockers, but last season he still had a very weak scrub WR corps... they are upgrading it this off season. They could also use a center.
Jones would have taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl last year, just as Hurts did with all that awesome talent in front and around him and aided by a top notch defense.
He finally has a decent OL after playing for years behind very incompetent ca ca level blockers, but last season he still had a very weak scrub WR corps... they are upgrading it this off season. They could also use a center.
Jones would have taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl last year, just as Hurts did with all that awesome talent in front and around him and aided by a top notch defense.
Thanks for conceding my point.
So your argument is you don’t like teams screwing up their cap? Lol. If so many teams are doing dumb shit then just do smart shit and beat them. If the Eagles are dumb, who cares?
But I don’t think there’s as much of a gap in brainpower in nfl front offices as small sample size results usually show.
How many teams have solved the draft over the years only to comeback to the pack in drafting?
Why don’t more teams do this?
Because they see teams with decent rosters (Saints, Commies, Browns) with no QB get totally owned year after year.
If you could just pay Ryan Fitzpatrick or Jameis or Mayfield or Darnold 1/4th of good QBs while putting the $ elsewhere and compete consistently you would see it happen more. If I saw it more I’d consider it a viable strategy. Get the 20th best QB and crush system/coaching, just doesn’t happen.
Just isn’t really viable based on current structure. Maybe if there was no franchise tag and you could pay the best non-QB players from other teams.
You've said it yourself many times - can't let x player walk or the fanbase will go nuts. I think we were discussing Tua, though it could have easily been Jones, Hurts, Murray, Mayfield...almost any overpaid non-top 5 QB.
So if that is your argument, then fans are stupid - irrational. Perhaps even morseso than owners.
Right now QBs are getting a disproportionate amount of the $$$ and it wasn't always this way. And yes, I'd call that an inefficiency that is bound to correct itself.
Maybe Zeke ruined it for the RB, but that position sure ain't getting any love at the moment.
"It's a QB league"
No. You still need a balanced attack to win...run clock/control field position/open up the passing game etc.
If I said that, I mean because once the downside hits (I.e you deal hurts and you suck then fans will be pissed, because you just torched off a chance to win.
QBs will stop making so much money when they aren’t as scarce of resources. The baseline play from the position will have to go up, which it definitely could as kids are in QB camps younger than ever. More passing in college.
Intuitively it does make some sense that you can find 1 of these guys that’s failed elsewhere and turn him into the next Rich Gannon with the raiders, pay him 10-15 and save money and put it elsewhere.
But in modern times over a rather large sample, I just haven’t seen it happen. Once you get past the top 15ish QBs in the league, the guys under center suck the fucking life out of a team, that’s why the D Carr’s of the world get paid.
Getting the 20th best QB on some cheap deal then building all this other stuff you are advocating just hasn’t shown any results, year after year.
Who said the Eagles would suck if they dealt Hurts? That Eagles team is solid all around, although they do play in the NFC.
Now imagine if they had given that same deal to Wentz. Where would they be now? Stuck in cap hell with no way out.
I think it was knitro who said the Chiefs are the only team who have won a SB with one of these monster QB contracts. Mahomes first SB was before he signed his current deal.
Now imagine if they had given that same deal to Wentz. Where would they be now? Stuck in cap hell with no way out.
I think it was knitro who said the Chiefs are the only team who have won a SB with one of these monster QB contracts. Mahomes first SB was before he signed his current deal.
