In my view I'm actually still undecided whether the TRUE MVP is either LeBron or Wade this year, even being a Cleveland homer....
The issue is the MVP voters would be taking a complete U-turn if Wade was somehow voted MVP this year (though its set in stone LeBron will win it at this point)... You always needed to be part of an elite team to get the majority of votes and it always has seemed to be this way, which I always thought was kind of unfair.
For instance, if Wade were to win it this year.....then why did Dirk win MVP over LeBron in 06-07?
The issue is the MVP voters would be taking a complete U-turn if Wade was somehow voted MVP this year (though its set in stone LeBron will win it at this point)... You always needed to be part of an elite team to get the majority of votes and it always has seemed to be this way, which I always thought was kind of unfair.
For instance, if Wade were to win it this year.....then why did Dirk win MVP over LeBron in 06-07?
ope:cavs had 50 wins in 06-07
50 vs 67 hmmm
50 wins in the west might get you an 8th seed. comparatively among the whole league, 50 wins isn't that impressive (although at that point, it was clear lebron was a top 2 player as an individual, basically in debate with kobe)
winning is still the most important factor in any sport. you don't hand out mvp's to losers. while an individual may be extremely talented, an mvp is about winning. i mean, if it just went to best player, the mvps should be jordan every year he was in the league then shaq after jordan left and up until he won his final ring in miami.
50 vs 67 hmmm
50 wins in the west might get you an 8th seed. comparatively among the whole league, 50 wins isn't that impressive (although at that point, it was clear lebron was a top 2 player as an individual, basically in debate with kobe)
winning is still the most important factor in any sport. you don't hand out mvp's to losers. while an individual may be extremely talented, an mvp is about winning. i mean, if it just went to best player, the mvps should be jordan every year he was in the league then shaq after jordan left and up until he won his final ring in miami.
ok, in your view Dwayne Wade being in the discussion at any point this year was a complete disgrace to the MVP award then, being on a team that's not much above the .500 win pct mark. That's your opinion... we agree to disagree.
In my view, the Wade of this year is more deserving of a possible MVP then he himself was ever before in any of his previous seasons, despite his team's record being worse then it was when he had Shaq at his side.
Tell me then, why did A-Rod win AL MVP in 03 if winning is the most important factor in any sport, like you just said? I just think the voters seem to change priorities time to time when it comes to MVP and its irritating to me.
In my view, the Wade of this year is more deserving of a possible MVP then he himself was ever before in any of his previous seasons, despite his team's record being worse then it was when he had Shaq at his side.
Tell me then, why did A-Rod win AL MVP in 03 if winning is the most important factor in any sport, like you just said? I just think the voters seem to change priorities time to time when it comes to MVP and its irritating to me.
no not a complete disgrace, i don't get where you're assuming that
it's just the same situation kobe faced in 05-06
voters change priorities? for the mvp of the nba, it consistently has gone to best player on one of the top teams, period. name me a time it was ever different? and not just one or two examples, but where someone can actually conclude mvps were determined differently.
2007-08 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki Dallas
2005-06 Steve Nash Phoenix
2004-05 Steve Nash Phoenix
2003-04 Kevin Garnett Minnesota
2002-03 Tim Duncan San Antonio
2001-02 Tim Duncan San Antonio
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers
1998-99 Karl Malone Utah
1997-98 Michael Jordan Chicago
1996-97 Karl Malone Utah
1995-96 Michael Jordan Chicago
1994-95 David Robinson San Antonio
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston
1992-93 Charles Barkley Phoenix
1991-92 Michael Jordan Chicago
1990-91 Michael Jordan Chicago
1989-90 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1988-89 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago
1986-87 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1985-86 Larry Bird Boston
1984-85 Larry Bird Boston
1983-84 Larry Bird Boston
every god damn year people complain about X player putting up Y numbers on mediocre team Z, yet the MVP candidacy credentials have always remained the same. rather than putting yourself through disappointment, try changing your own views on what the mvp is or else clearly you're going to be frustrated, oh i don't know, almost every fucking year?
it's just the same situation kobe faced in 05-06
voters change priorities? for the mvp of the nba, it consistently has gone to best player on one of the top teams, period. name me a time it was ever different? and not just one or two examples, but where someone can actually conclude mvps were determined differently.
2007-08 Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki Dallas
2005-06 Steve Nash Phoenix
2004-05 Steve Nash Phoenix
2003-04 Kevin Garnett Minnesota
2002-03 Tim Duncan San Antonio
2001-02 Tim Duncan San Antonio
2000-01 Allen Iverson Philadelphia
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers
1998-99 Karl Malone Utah
1997-98 Michael Jordan Chicago
1996-97 Karl Malone Utah
1995-96 Michael Jordan Chicago
1994-95 David Robinson San Antonio
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston
1992-93 Charles Barkley Phoenix
1991-92 Michael Jordan Chicago
1990-91 Michael Jordan Chicago
1989-90 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1988-89 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1987-88 Michael Jordan Chicago
1986-87 Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers
1985-86 Larry Bird Boston
1984-85 Larry Bird Boston
1983-84 Larry Bird Boston
every god damn year people complain about X player putting up Y numbers on mediocre team Z, yet the MVP candidacy credentials have always remained the same. rather than putting yourself through disappointment, try changing your own views on what the mvp is or else clearly you're going to be frustrated, oh i don't know, almost every fucking year?
First you say any sport now you limited it to nba, I'll just assume that was just a typo 
2007-08 Kobe Bryant (should've been a closer vote between him and CP3)
but Kobe was given it pretty much anonymously... partly because they goofed up in 05-06 not giving it to him...
2005-06 Steve Nash (should've been Kobe)
I said this on my first post you first responded to..
I'm done ranting on the NBA MVP award..if you do end up responding again, just tell me your original disagreement with my original post please, cause I'm still not sure what it ever was for you in the first place before we started arguing a bit back and forth..
And MIAMI would have a ZERO chance at any seed in the playoffs in the West this year... Thats why'd I'd assume disgrace.. from your own point you made here
I still think its consistently flawed.. for example..
2007-08 Kobe Bryant (should've been a closer vote between him and CP3)
but Kobe was given it pretty much anonymously... partly because they goofed up in 05-06 not giving it to him...
2005-06 Steve Nash (should've been Kobe)
The issue I have with it mostly, is they end up taking team record too much to heart normally, then when they screw someone out of MVP because of that, in a future year they give extra votes back to someone because they realized their mistake. It's these "make up votes" which drive me nuts.. This is proof the award is a joke a lot of the time. For you to say its consistent is giving it way too much credit.
I said this on my first post you first responded to..
Maybe you thought I meant TRUE MVP as the NBAs filtered version which is what is the reality we have to deal with... but I meant TRUE as in what I personally think it should be. A player that improves a team with his presence from a 20 win to 50 win season is more deserving than a player that improves a team from 40 to 60, in my opinion. And when I said "elite", I meant "elite" not just a solid/good team. With that in mind, look again at what I posted...maybe you skimmed it too fast cause I do indeed understand how the MVP vote works and don't expect it to change unfortunately.
I'm done ranting on the NBA MVP award..if you do end up responding again, just tell me your original disagreement with my original post please, cause I'm still not sure what it ever was for you in the first place before we started arguing a bit back and forth..
Wade is not MVP.
People fail to realize Wade was on that Miami team last year that sucked for 50+ games including the majority of their losses.
Are any of you aware of what the statistic win-share is?
It's the amount a specific player contributes to his teams victories. Comparing the top MVP candidates with the next best player on the team, the biggest difference in these numbers come from none other than LeBron and Mo Williams.
Stats + Wins = LeBron is MVP.
Wade has the small edge on the stats, but combine that with the Cavs league leading record and record shattering season, LeBron gets the MVP hands down.
And again, I ask all of you that are pulling for Wade to win MVP....
Where were you last season when LeBron was averaging 30 8 7 2 1 on 50% shooting?
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People fail to realize Wade was on that Miami team last year that sucked for 50+ games including the majority of their losses.
Are any of you aware of what the statistic win-share is?
It's the amount a specific player contributes to his teams victories. Comparing the top MVP candidates with the next best player on the team, the biggest difference in these numbers come from none other than LeBron and Mo Williams.
Stats + Wins = LeBron is MVP.
Wade has the small edge on the stats, but combine that with the Cavs league leading record and record shattering season, LeBron gets the MVP hands down.
And again, I ask all of you that are pulling for Wade to win MVP....
Where were you last season when LeBron was averaging 30 8 7 2 1 on 50% shooting?
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