Drew Brees reportedly to demand less than Jimmy Garoppolo on new deal

[CHOPTALK]

Yea the differential in pay of someone like Mike Glennon vs what Aaron Rodgers makes actually makes Rodgers contract more valuable then Glennon .

There is much more performance difference then there is money difference .

In case you have not noticed . The sucky Qbs not on rookie deals make about 70% of what the great ones do with only about 30 to 40% of the same Production on the field

But maybe Willie does not know anything about cost for Production

 

[PatsFan1283]

The NFL billionaires, like the NBA 1's, are pretty smart about this stuff actually. They make it so the best players can't quite get what their true value is via things like max contracts/franchise tag to cost control players.

This means these guys are more undervalued as assets. Well, if they're undervalued assets, it's more likely that the teams they are on are going to be very good.

If there was a bidding war for LeBron or Aaron Rodgers, then the teams they would land on wouldn't be nearly as good because they would have to commit more resources to them and thus it would be tougher to build around them. Then they wouldn't be in the finals/playoffs every single year and it would be tougher to market them. And marketing stars is a huge part of what these leagues do.

So sometimes guys like John Wall/Kirk Cousins or whatever get paid on the level of LeBron/Rodgers and it seems like it is too much, but really it has more to do with LeBron/Rodgers being under paid than those guys being over paid.

It's basically a way to manipulate/engineer that the best players will have a better chance to be on the best teams.

 

[CHOPTALK]

That’s my whole point and completely invalidates everything Willie said.
Aaron Rodgers contract is much more valuable dollars for Production then someone like Jay Cutler or Mike Glennon .

Sure it’s awesome on those occasions when a team like Seattle with Wilson, Colts wirh Luck, Philly with wentz .

Angels wirh Trout , Pelicans with AD etc.. get that brief window of greatness on a low rookie deal.

But willies incorrect notion that teams can’t win a super bowl unless they have a qb willing to sign for 20% less then they are worth like Brady is comical .

 

[CHOPTALK]

Marcus Williams did not miss that tackle because Drew Brees makes 5 million more a season then Brady

 

[PatsFan1283]

I don't think that was what he was saying. I think what he was saying is that Jimmy G in particular will be tough to build around if he is making that much $. Which may or may not be true depending on how good he is.

Paying a QB in general 1/7th of the salary cap is fine (especially in modern times because the cap has escalated so much over the last 15 years and the way the league is a good durable QB is just worth it's worth it's weight in gold) as long as he is good. P Manning, Big Ben and even Eli Manning have all won SB's this way and tons of teams have come very close to winning this way.

It's paying guys like Tannehill, Flacco, Dalton, Bradford, Kaepernick that is lame, but that's just the price of doing business.

 

[PatsFan1283]

1 thing about Jimmy's deal that is deceiving is with the 9ers being so bad and still a rebuilding team, they have tons of cap room. So they can front load the deal.

So he gets 37 mill next year and then the deal is much more reasonable after that. This is said to be a big reason why they just paid him after 7 starts rather than put the franchise tag on him.

http://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers

 

[Willie99]

So basically you saying if a team has a qb that makes a lot of money they can’t win a Super Bowl ?

Gotcha

I guess we should all get our Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns Super Bowl futures lined up.

yep, youse nailed it, roster management 101

face)(*^%

 

[Willie99]

you seemingly pay a lot of a attention to what Belichick and the Patriots are doing, but don't even know what they do best and why they won 44 more games then the 2nd best team since 2003

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2003

 

[CHOPTALK]

Blake Bortles just signed for 3/56

so jville just got eliminated from playoff contention

I guess we down to buffalo, denver and the jets as teams that can win it all because everyone else will be cash strapped

 

[CHOPTALK]

you seemingly pay a lot of a attention to what Belichick and the Patriots are doing, but don't even know what they do best and why they won 44 more games then the 2nd best team since 2003

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2003

yea i pay alot of attention to what belichick has done over the years.
and the way he handled the jimmy g situation is a complete 180 from what he has done in the past.
making me believe all these rumors about kraft forcing him to trade jimmy g to be true.

that was so un bb like


TB 2018 could be PM 2015 as early as week 1 next season.

And history tells us this is probable.

If tb is a top 5 qb next season he will be the first qb in nfl history to be at that level at his age.

good luck bucking over 75 years of history trying to overcome that.

meanwhile in san francisco

 

[SmallDaddy]

If I was Brees I wouldn't ask for the moon.

Rather take a bit less and make sure the team is competitive, hope to get 1 more ring.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Drew Brees has been around forever making top QB $ and is rich, little different than a guy going for his 1st big contract.

 

[SmallDaddy]

yea i pay alot of attention to what belichick has done over the years.
and the way he handled the jimmy g situation is a complete 180 from what he has done in the past.
making me believe all these rumors about kraft forcing him to trade jimmy g to be true.

that was so un bb like


TB 2018 could be PM 2015 as early as week 1 next season.

And history tells us this is probable.

If tb is a top 5 qb next season he will be the first qb in nfl history to be at that level at his age.

good luck bucking over 75 years of history trying to overcome that.

meanwhile in san francisco

No reason to think why he couldn't.

He hasn't shown signs of slowing down yet. And they don't get hit as hard as they used to

 

[PatsFan1283]

yea i pay alot of attention to what belichick has done over the years.
and the way he handled the jimmy g situation is a complete 180 from what he has done in the past.
making me believe all these rumors about kraft forcing him to trade jimmy g to be true.

that was so un bb like


TB 2018 could be PM 2015 as early as week 1 next season.

And history tells us this is probable.

If tb is a top 5 qb next season he will be the first qb in nfl history to be at that level at his age.

good luck bucking over 75 years of history trying to overcome that.

meanwhile in san francisco

He just had 500 yards and 3 TD's in the SB w/o his top 2 receivers (Edelman+Cooks), probably wouldn't bet on him hitting a wall next year.

You can't use historical data when the situation has changed, QB's just play longer now. He's probably on breakthrough drugs that even the other athletes don't have access to.

 

[CHOPTALK]

No reason to think why he couldn't.

He hasn't shown signs of slowing down yet. And they don't get hit as hard as they used to

Peyton Manning 2014 broke NFL records
Peyton Manning 2015 was one of the worst starting QBs in the nfl

 

[Michelangelo]

Another bet proposal for Chop.

My $1000.00 to your $1000.00

That Tom Brady finishes in the top 5 in two of the following three categories:

Passing Yards
Touchdown passes
TD to interception ratio

You get injury.