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I saw Jim Cramer on tv last night literally screaming his head off in some msnbc show. Talking about how the housing market will never ever ever recover to the levels it was at before.

NOw i cant put in words how much i hate that little bastard, but if a guy like him has come to realize the truth now and he is done trying to prop up and market and sell it to people, there comes a time when even the hardiest of bulls must concede to the bears.

IT is over folks, only the foolish wishful thinkers are left right now. Pretty much every smart person has sold off and/or hedged their bets with a few defensive plays while others are investing in commodities. (look for gold to hit over 1000 by end of next week..Thats right, i am predicting it)

For months now i have been telling friends DO NOT BUY THE HYPE!!! THE MARKET IS NOT YET NEARLY OVERSOLD!!! GET OUT NOW GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!!


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We may never see another all-time high in the DOW...........EVER!

Odds are we will, but it would not surprise me if we don't see that high for at least another 5+ years.

When will farmland prices bubble? Grains took a hit for the second straight day today.


Fishead, this is normal when the market is about to crash. Many actually use these flactuations as a sign of what is to come.

Look at what happened to gold shooting up and down between 850-1000 the last couple of months. Now its headed right back up.

Mark my words, those grains will shoot up by end of summer and stay high for a while.

Next year it will be even worse because grains like corn cant be planted back to back.. Lets all pray that this summer is not as bad as some scientists are predicting. (It already is showing signs that it may be worse than expected) Should the sun burn up this years crop like happened last year, then all bets are off. Those invested in grains will be the only ones to afford cereal for breakfast!!!

(no wonder Busch sold out to Inbev, too bad they didnt bother to explain to them the rising prices of hops...But beer is mostly recession proof people will actually buy more of it as they choose to stay at home to drown their sorrows. Cant drive to nascar races, or NFL games, or Vacation spot, only thing left is that BUd...)
 

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The following Dow components are companies that are in real trouble.

American Express
Bank of America
Citigroup
General Motors
JP Morgan Chase

That is 5 of the 30 components.


let's all remember that there is a financial "crisis" every 10 years or so.
 

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what's safe to keep in a bank? FDIC insures 100k per account or per person? I know its 200k for joint accounts

I have two CDs.. one is up in sept and the other Dec.. both for six figures..

does anyone have any advice? I don't want to speak to the financial advisor at the bank because he obviously works for the bank. If anyone here can recommend a financial adviser in the Chicago land area I wouldn't mind getting you a referral fee
 

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No bank in this country is safe, they all could collapse.

If you have more than 100k in a bank just open a new account after the first 100k in a slightly different name - like you and your wife or a corporate entity
 

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Fishead, this is normal when the market is about to crash. Many actually use these flactuations as a sign of what is to come.

Look at what happened to gold shooting up and down between 850-1000 the last couple of months. Now its headed right back up.

Mark my words, those grains will shoot up by end of summer and stay high for a while.

Next year it will be even worse because grains like corn cant be planted back to back.. Lets all pray that this summer is not as bad as some scientists are predicting. (It already is showing signs that it may be worse than expected) Should the sun burn up this years crop like happened last year, then all bets are off. Those invested in grains will be the only ones to afford cereal for breakfast!!!

(no wonder Busch sold out to Inbev, too bad they didnt bother to explain to them the rising prices of hops...But beer is mostly recession proof people will actually buy more of it as they choose to stay at home to drown their sorrows. Cant drive to nascar races, or NFL games, or Vacation spot, only thing left is that BUd...)


A lot of soybeans replaced corn this year in Iowa because of the flood.


By the way.........I was almost banned at 2+2 today for posting this..........



What's really funny is that the so called "experts" will tell you that it will surely go up and up because of that is what it has done in the past.........SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN AROUND FOR 1OO YEARS.

The market MAY NEVER reach it's all-time high again..........and I'm serious as a heart attack when I say this.

This country is one hell of a mess.............if fact, there may indeed be no UNITED STATES ten years or less from now.

Meanwhile these "experts" will continue to tell you that if one thing is certain and that is that stocks will go up over time. COMPLETE BULLCRAP!

Wish I could live to be 200 so I could laugh at these morons.
 

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what's safe to keep in a bank? FDIC insures 100k per account or per person? I know its 200k for joint accounts

I have two CDs.. one is up in sept and the other Dec.. both for six figures..

does anyone have any advice? I don't want to speak to the financial advisor at the bank because he obviously works for the bank. If anyone here can recommend a financial adviser in the Chicago land area I wouldn't mind getting you a referral fee


per account. just have $100k each in different FDIC insured banks. i believe we are still 2-3 years away from the big crash.
 

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The DJIA was first published in Customer's Afternoon Letter.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]</SUP>. It was published on May 26, 1896, and represented the average of twelve stocks from various important American industries. Of those original twelve, only General Electric is currently part of the average. The other eleven were:<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP>
 

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Only 7 stocks have been in the DJIA prior to 1975:

Alcoa (1959)
DuPont (1935)
ExxonMobil (1928)
GE (1907)
General Motors (1925)
Proctor & Gamble (1932)
United Tech. (1939)

In the grant scheme of things that is not a very long time.
 

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A lot of soybeans replaced corn this year in Iowa because of the flood.

The market MAY NEVER reach it's all-time high again..........and I'm serious as a heart attack when I say this.



then again, it may make new all time highs. it's an awful tough "bet" to make when probability tells you the market will recover.

"it's different this time" is an expression that only leads to financial ruin in the long run. then again, as keynes said, "in the long, we're all dead."
 

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A lot of soybeans replaced corn this year in Iowa because of the flood.


By the way.........I was almost banned at 2+2 today for posting this..........



What's really funny is that the so called "experts" will tell you that it will surely go up and up because of that is what it has done in the past.........SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN AROUND FOR 1OO YEARS.

The market MAY NEVER reach it's all-time high again..........and I'm serious as a heart attack when I say this.

This country is one hell of a mess.............if fact, there may indeed be no UNITED STATES ten years or less from now.

Meanwhile these "experts" will continue to tell you that if one thing is certain and that is that stocks will go up over time. COMPLETE BULLCRAP!

Wish I could live to be 200 so I could laugh at these morons.

Fish:

Remember what I said on this board months ago and repeated a few times since? As you know, I'm no young sprout and I'll say it again. The current economic condition in this country is the worst I have seen in my lifetime and I have lived through numerous downturns before.
 

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Fish:

Remember what I said on this board months ago and repeated a few times since? As you know, I'm no young sprout and I'll say it again. The current economic condition in this country is the worst I have seen in my lifetime and I have lived through numerous downturns before.


ted, how is the job market out in the SF area? probably not as much financial havoc as on the east coast, but i imagine real estate finance could be a mess.
 

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ted, how is the job market out in the SF area? probably not as much financial havoc as on the east coast, but i imagine real estate finance could be a mess.

The SF Bay Area is a wide area with over 8 million people residing so it depends on where. As for San Francisco itself with only 750,000 people, both real estate and the job market are pretty stable. One of the most stable in the country. As one begins to move outward to other counties, the job market and real estate are more severely affected depending whether they are in the East Bay, South Bay or North Bay. A lot of people hurting in certain areas.
 

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We may never see another all-time high in the DOW...........EVER!

Odds are we will, but it would not surprise me if we don't see that high for at least another 5+ years.

When will farmland prices bubble? Grains took a hit for the second straight day today.

Ever? As in like 100, 200, 500 years from now? About the only chance of that is if the Dow and/or the USA as we know it ceases to exist.
 

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Ever? As in like 100, 200, 500 years from now? About the only chance of that is if the Dow and/or the USA as we know it ceases to exist.

Companies grow - they get bigger - and the market will rebound.
 

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i sold my house and the rest 2 years ago and moved to colombia. too bad all my income is in dollars. the american peso is losing value all the time.
BUY GOLD. all paper money is crap.
 

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djmatt,
If it is the same helmut from other places, he is a well-respected and a VERY sharp poster. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I would love to see him post more often here.

That being said, I will discourage any betting between posters here. Haven't we learned our lessons by now?

I'm sure there is a book out there that will take wagers on this prop or a similar one if it interests you. Hopefully we can keep this thread for discussion of the topic.

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