Does anybody know of a Book that takes open Action Reverses inBaseball only?

[Doug]

What's the difference here between examples #2 and #3 ? It seems the game results were the same but the result of example 2 is a half loss, while example 3 is a full loss ?

http://www.wagerweb.com/index.cfm?page=reverses


I'm getting confused !

 

[Rainbow]

What's the difference here between examples #2 and #3 ? It seems the game results were the same but the result of example 2 is a half loss, while example 3 is a full loss ?

http://www.wagerweb.com/index.cfm?page=reverses


I'm getting confused !

Doug, Example #1 the player would win $800
Example #2 the player would lose $240
Example #3 the player would lose $240
Action Reverse is if wins tie or postponed.
Example #1 the player risk $220 on a winner and a tie the player would win $400. Example #2 the player risk $220 on a loser and a tie the player would lose $440.
Example #3 the player wins both plays he always wins 4-1
Example #4 the player wins one wager and loses one he always loses one extra wager because it flips back over. another words he would lose two wages for $220 and win one wager for $200 so that means the player would lose $240.
Example #5 if the player loses both wagers he would lose two bets for $220 so the player would lose $440.
Doug, I hope you understand everything, sometimes I"m not the best at explaining these kind of bets.

 

[Doug]

Well WW doesn't get it then ! They say example 1 player wins $400, you say $800. Their chart looks wrong as I see no difference between 2 and 3.

I think I get how it's supposed to work, but with bases there are no ties so I'm not focusing on that part of it.

 

[Doug]

How someone else explains it:

http://www.askthebookie.com/wagering/ask-reverse-bets.php

I guess it's all a moot point since no one will take the bet, and if they do you probably don't want to play there anyway.

 

[FatTony]

Well WW doesn't get it then ! They say example 1 player wins $400, you say $800. Their chart looks wrong as I see no difference between 2 and 3.

I think I get how it's supposed to work, but with bases there are no ties so I'm not focusing on that part of it.

Their charts are screwed up all over the place. It's so simple.

Based on a $100

Example 1 Both win.

Eagles W +100
Cowboys W+100
Cowboys W+100
Eagles W +100
-------- +400 total

Example 2 Split. Eagles win, Boys lose.

Eagles W+100
Cowboys L -110
Cowboys L-110
------- -120 Total


Example 3. Both lose

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-110
---------- -220 Total

That's the only three scenarios for reverses you have to remember. In example one, three if bets. Example two, two if bets and example three, one if bet.

If you took the Cowboys as a moneyline favorite, say -165, and lost, then in each spot put -165 and then total it.

Say example 3.

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-165
---------- -275 total

 

[Doug]

Their charts are screwed up all over the place. It's so simple.

Based on a $100

Example 1 Both win.

Eagles W +100
Cowboys W+100
Cowboys W+100
Eagles W +100
-------- +400 total

Example 2 Split. Eagles win, Boys lose.

Eagles W+100
Cowboys L -110
Cowboys L-110
------- -120 Total


Example 3. Both lose

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-110
---------- -220 Total

That's the only three scenarios for reverses you have to remember. In example one, three if bets. Example two, two if bets and example three, one if bet.

If you took the Cowboys as a moneyline favorite, say -165, and lost, then in each spot put -165 and then total it.

Say example 3.

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-165
---------- -275 total

Then WW is correct ( in this case) and Rainbow is wrong, is what you are saying Tony !

I've never bet this way, it seems designed for one to be able to overbet one's BR. The only value I see to it is to be able to bet simultaneous ( sp ?) games at a book that may have the best line on at least one game when you are short-stacked at that book. Or it could be used perhaps in late season NFL games when a correlation exists between games, but a time difference would be needed.

It seems to be something that doesn't really need to be used often. I think most punters would do well to leave this option alone, unless you are well versed in its use and the reverse makes your bets better.

Surely it's a misunderstood option that most don't require.

 

[FatTony]

No. WW is screwed up too. Only their first example is right. If you hit both games, you get 4-1. Split is -120 and both games lose, -220 based on $100.

 

[FatTony]

I've been betting for 20 years. I only play reverses when I'm up a ton or down a ton.

But I do play them.

 

[Doug]

FT: Do you agree with me that few ( esp. Newbies) need to be concerned with this option ? I think I'll basically forget it exists and focus on other things I consider to be better advanced options like action points.

I may try a reverse or two for a small bet just to see if it gets graded properly !

Imagine betting reverses with SIA, I doubt they offer it !

Wouldn't betting reverses when down a "ton" qualify as chasing ?

 

[FatTony]

FT: Do you agree with me that few ( esp. Newbies) need to be concerned with this option ? I think I'll basically forget it exists and focus on other things I consider to be better advanced options like action points.

I may try a reverse or two for a small bet just to see if it gets graded properly !

Imagine betting reverses with SIA, I doubt they offer it !

Wouldn't betting reverses when down a "ton" qualify as chasing ?

Any two team hook up in my opinon is not a good bet. Teasers, parlays, reverses. That's my opinion.

But I would rather do a reverse over a parlay any day. If you're good with odds, you'll realize it's the same as a parlay in regards to risk to winnings.

 

[Doug]

Any two team hook up in my opinon is not a good bet. Teasers, parlays, reverses. That's my opinion.

Not so fast , correlations become extreme. It worked great in NHL parlaying dog +1.5 pucks and under 5.5 goals. That was a cash cow ! It would work in soccer, if you could get a taker for the bet. Many early books got their azzes handed to them by taking parlays on things that should never have been allowed to be parlayed !

Lets take a CFB game;

Team A is -40 over team B

Total is 50 points



Gee I'll parlay B +40 and under 50 at 13:5. If it goes under 50, I should win ! I can make other bets to nearly lock a profit on that. The point is that parlay should not be allowed. How does it stay under 50 without the dog +40 also covering, answer is far fewer ways than the ways and probabilities of me winning at +260. Try betting that at Pinny ! Maybe you got a dumb local that will take it ?


I've got a ton of theoretical stuff that's valid, just not bettable, or formerly bettable. I learn from the old stuff. I'll snuff any dumb local with it.

 

[Rainbow]

Well WW doesn't get it then ! They say example 1 player wins $400, you say $800. Their chart looks wrong as I see no difference between 2 and 3.

I think I get how it's supposed to work, but with bases there are no ties so I'm not focusing on that part of it.

Doug there is rain outs in baseball thats the same as a tie, also when a game is tied 3-3 after 5 innings no action on nothing. after nine innings 3-3 tie you have action on the total.

 

[Rainbow]

Their charts are screwed up all over the place. It's so simple.

Based on a $100

Example 1 Both win.

Eagles W +100
Cowboys W+100
Cowboys W+100
Eagles W +100
-------- +400 total

Example 2 Split. Eagles win, Boys lose.

Eagles W+100
Cowboys L -110
Cowboys L-110
------- -120 Total


Example 3. Both lose

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-110
---------- -220 Total

That's the only three scenarios for reverses you have to remember. In example one, three if bets. Example two, two if bets and example three, one if bet.

If you took the Cowboys as a moneyline favorite, say -165, and lost, then in each spot put -165 and then total it.

Say example 3.

Eagles L -110
Cowboys L-165
---------- -275 total

Tony, a tie an a win +$200 a tie an a loss -$220

 

[Doug]

Doug there is rain outs in baseball thats the same as a tie, also when a game is tied 3-3 after 5 innings no action on nothing. after nine innings 3-3 tie you have action on the total.

Good point ! I didn't consider that, which shows my lack of experience with this wager type.

I disagree about total being action after 9 innings. If game is suspended in 14th inning tied for rain, bee swarm, curfew etc, it is not action ! As far as I'm concerned if it's 5-5 and suspended after 9 innings +, a bet of under 9 is refunded.

 

[Rainbow]

Good point ! I didn't consider that, which shows my lack of experience with this wager type.

I disagree about total being action after 9 innings. If game is suspended in 14th inning tied for rain, bee swarm, curfew etc, it is not action ! As far as I'm concerned if it's 5-5 and suspended after 9 innings +, a bet of under 9 is refunded.

Every book in the world you have action on the runline and the total after 9 complete.

 

[Doug]

Every book in the world you have action on the runline and the total after 9 complete.

I guess you're right, it's been so long it's hard to remember ! I always review rules with a new season. Tennis is one sport that seems to vary most.

Some quirks in baseball rules exist, some places don't let you list pitchers ( SIA). I'm stale on rules, you caught me napping !

 

[j-saul]

How's this explaination. +100 is 100/100 or a 200 swing. +220 is 100/220 or a 320 swing. If the 1st half wins, why not maimize the amount and obviously minimize it if 1st goes down. Make sense?