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Would be interested to see how stringent their stipulations are going to be on proving that reassignment is medically necessary. Not to be lost in the policy is the fact that it states clearly one cannot "live as the other gender" prior to completing reassignment.

To me it kinda sounds like the position they're taking is "look, we're not going to have any of this bullshit where a pre-op TG man sues us for not letting him use the women's bathroom while he still has a dick. So if you really feel that it is absolutely necessary to live as a woman, prove it first and then we will pay to have you switched over."

Could be a smart strategy.
 

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meanwhile- vets die before getting treated.fucking insane- pretty much sums it up
 

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As an active duty military member I just shake my head....and wonder how the hell anyone voted for this current administration. Congrats to all of you who voted for Barry O. The worst "commander in chief" in the history of our country.

I'm curious when they are going to allow men to grow their hair long and wear earrings. If woman troops/military can do it, why can't men? If woman troops can wear skirts, why not the men? They just did away with the military pension (effective 2018). The military will be a shit show within the next 15-20 years. If it were up to the Left, they'd turn the Pentagon into the world's largest gay club. But yeah.....Hillary is a better option than Donald Trump. Unbelievable.
 

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As an active duty military member I just shake my head....and wonder how the hell anyone voted for this current administration. Congrats to all of you who voted for Barry O. The worst "commander in chief" in the history of our country.

I'm curious when they are going to allow men to grow their hair long and wear earrings. If woman troops/military can do it, why can't men? If woman troops can wear skirts, why not the men? They just did away with the military pension (effective 2018). The military will be a shit show within the next 15-20 years. If it were up to the Left, they'd turn the Pentagon into the world's largest gay club. But yeah.....Hillary is a better option than Donald Trump. Unbelievable.

Man its a sick fucking world we're in
 
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Never in my wildest dreams thought this was going to be an issue in our military....I blame the government and military leaders...Congress sucks....
 

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Keep voting Democrat. What a disgrace.
 

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Never in my wildest dreams thought this was going to be an issue in our military....I blame the government and military leaders...Congress sucks....

Our military leaders don't make decisions on the DoD budget allocation. Deciding what to fund has nothing to do with our senior officers.
 

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It is for new enlisted members, it doesn't give you the 20 year pension but it seems like it allows for more private savings and investment along the way so that people who don't do the full 20 years leave the service with more money.

It is basically partial-privatization from what I'm reading, which IMO is a very good thing. But I only read a little bit on it and don't know all the details.

It starts in 2018.



Starting in 2018, newly enlisted troops will no longer have the traditional 20-year, all-or-nothing retirement plan. Under the changes, it will be replaced with a blended pension and investment system, featuring automatic contributions to troops' Thrift Savings Plans and an opportunity for government matches to personal contributions.
The new system is expected to give roughly four in five service members some sort of retirement benefit when they leave the military, as opposed to the current system which benefits only one in five.
 

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Enfuego, I'm not sure where you've been....but effective 2018 the US Military is going to the "blended retirement system". In fact, all E6 and above have to take an online training course on the new system.

You and I are safe, we'll get our pensions.

Here's a summary:

https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg1/cg131/docs/mbr_res/BlendedRetirementSystemInfographic.pdf

Long story short....any new military member is being put on a matching TSP plan.

This is going to cause huge issues once a service member reaches 8-12 years of service. There is a plan to give out retention bonuses, but that will be dependent upon the needs of the service and will change annually (i.e. if they need pilots, they'll give a fat bonus to stay in....if they don't need pilots they may not give a retention bonus at all).

Just more fucking w/ military benefits.....

The only good thing this does is it is helpful to the service member who does not reach retirement (they will walk away w/ money in a TSP)...but I imagine many of them will just cash it out and spend it.
 

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It is for new enlisted members, it doesn't give you the 20 year pension but it seems like it allows for more private savings and investment along the way so that people who don't do the full 20 years leave the service with more money.

It is basically partial-privatization from what I'm reading, which IMO is a very good thing. But I only read a little bit on it and don't know all the details.

It starts in 2018.



Starting in 2018, newly enlisted troops will no longer have the traditional 20-year, all-or-nothing retirement plan. Under the changes, it will be replaced with a blended pension and investment system, featuring automatic contributions to troops' Thrift Savings Plans and an opportunity for government matches to personal contributions.
The new system is expected to give roughly four in five service members some sort of retirement benefit when they leave the military, as opposed to the current system which benefits only one in five.

P-fan, I can tell you there is no way a 5% matching TSP is going to be equal to a lifetime pension (especially for the young service member that retires around 38-45 years old). It is a good thing for the member who does do 20 years....but this has been the way the military has worked for...well, since 1776. Imagine you're a 9-11 year service member....you are offered a sweet 6 figure job (which is about what an O3/O4 makes w/ BAH)....and the military gives you orders to some shit-hole part of the country/world. Gee, what do I do? I take the 6 figure job....and either get out completely or go into the Reserves. There's going to be a big problem w/ mid-level military (03, 04, E6, E7). I know (as a Coastie) if they offered me Sault Ste Marie, Michigan as my next 3 or 4 year tour I'd either hang myself or get out!!!
 

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I get what you are saying in that many won't have an incentive to continue when they get to a certain point, but what about the members who don't do the full 20? The vast majority of them will walk away better than when they would otherwise. And really that is the group that is struggling the most when they leave the military, that cushion could help some of them a lot.

Granted others will be young and dumb like any other civilian and just spend it, but on balance the plan does seem to beef up the security of those who are in for 8-12 years range. I'd imagine the percent of enlistees that goes over 10 years is under 10% no?

Also it isn't just the 5% matching TSP, there is still partial-pension, which I would think is still significant isn't it?
 

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I get what you are saying in that many won't have an incentive to continue when they get to a certain point, but what about the members who don't do the full 20? The vast majority of them will walk away better than when they would otherwise. And really that is the group that is struggling the most when they leave the military, that cushion could help some of them a lot.

Granted others will be young and dumb like any other civilian and just spend it, but on balance the plan does seem to beef up the security of those who are in for 8-12 years range. I'd imagine the percent of enlistees that goes over 10 years is under 10% no?

Also it isn't just the 5% matching TSP, there is still partial-pension, which I would think is still significant isn't it?

Make no mistake, this was done to save money. It is being sold just as you have bought it ("those who don't do 20 years will still get something..."). Those that don't do 20 get "Veteran's" status the rest of their life. They are eligible for VA loans and the awesome new Post-911 GI Bill and "Veteran's Preference" when seeking a government job. If someone does 4 years and gets out, the 5% match will be somewhere in the $2000 range. To change the system as it is is a slap in the face of veterans. Yes, there is a partial pension....but "they" (Congress and the committee) are still making adjustments. The final plan won't come out until sometime in 2017. I just don't know why they are trying to fix something that's not broken.
 

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Isn't that good people can attain veterans status easier?

Also, the new pension system on the link is 2% + years served + base pay...The other 1 was 2.5%

On the link it says you get both after 20 years. So how is it doing away with pensions? I don't get it.
 

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And I thought during the 1980s seeing officers ripping earrings out of off duty soldiers' ears was excessive.

Sometimes it's good to be old because I wouldn't want to see this garbage while in the military.
 

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