Do you think the SEC's dominance is in jeaporady?

[MoaxtheOx]

After not winning the title the past two seasons, and OSU being the favorite this year, do you think the SEC has slipped a little? While I think the conf as a whole may be better overall, I think the fact that these 14 teams are battling each other has brought the top tier down a bit.

I found a good discussion online about it and I got to say I agree with most of these guys.

http://totalcollegeball.com/tcb-rou...tball-playoffs-and-sec-dominance-in-jeopardy/

Talks College football playoffs as well.

What do yall think?

 

[TyBounce]

I haven't read the article yet , but my oppinion is that with the 4 team playoff instead of just a bcs championship game , you won't see any conference win 6 or 7 consecutive national championships. So yes , that dominance is over. ....But the sec is still the top dog.

...I dont mean to ramble (and i may have posted something similar already) but when you go back to the 80's there was a distinct difference geographically in how football was played. The sec was known for southern "smash mouth" football , while the west coast was known for a more offensive and finesse style of football , and even the big-10 northern football was a little different. .....But nowadays there is equal diversity everywhere. You'll find spread-option teams in every conf . you'll find pro-style teams in every conf , you'll find offensive minded hc's and defensive minded hc's everywhere. ....It's all the same.

What seperates the sec from the other conferences is the rabid culture of the fan base. It's not seperated on the field , its seperated in the hearts and minds of the fans. ...In the other conferences you'll find 5 or 6 teams that have this type fan base , but in the sec its every team maybe with the exception of vandy. You wont find any other conf that has 12 or 13 rabid fan bases. Only in the SEC.

 

[cloverleaf]

NO!

A member of the conference has played for the national title 8 of the last 9 years, 2015 will
be no different. Either Alabama, Auburn, LSU or Georgia will be in the title game.

 

[rolltide]

their dominance in recruiting will not end because they are in the most fertile and populous areas for high school football. Their dominance in the NFL draft will not end because they're recruiting the best players and paying for the best coaches who know that college football is basically a NFL junior league. Their dominance in playing for a national title via the 4-team playoff will not end because no other conference will have a team with same amount of losses knock a SEC team out of the playoffs.

but their dominance WINNING a title can end simply because there's an extra game to play against a top 4 school in the nation on a neutral field.

 

[MoaxtheOx]

Good points Ty!

 

[RunLeeRun]

Yes. It's over. That dominance was about two things, Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. You're only as good as your top team, and when they were on, they were damn good. The rest of the programs, while talented, have hitched their images on the coattails of those two coaches. So while Urban is gone and Saban's calling card of defense has been less of an ace, so went/go the eliteness of the SEC. That's not to say another program cant win it, because that would be disingenuous thinking. Cam Newton showed an average HC with a super talented QB and OC can make a run. And as perception is reality, an event like 2007 is always possible. I thought that the BCS was at times as good at exlusion as it was crowning a champion. Again perception was a big cog in the machine. Some of that perception is inflated. Thats not to say just the SEC used it to their advantage (though, they perfected it for the latter half of the BCS), the Big 12 also had it's moments, getting two teams into the game at the expense of the Pac 12. It's hard to say what could have happened with no bcs. But I cant recall one confetence reeling off 7 titles during the old bowl system, which I feel was closer to a playoff system.

 

[rolltide]

well really depends on what your version of the word dominance is, RLR

if dominance = winning title 7 straight years then, yes, it's over

if dominance = recruiting best high school players, having best coaching staffs, and producing the most NFL players then, no, it's only just begun. Stadiums are too big, recruiting states have too much talent, and money is too significant at these programs to suggest otherwise.

totally agree about the barn in 2010. worst title team since byu but showed that one ridiculously talented player can win a title with a pedestrian 80 players around him and that can be duplicated by non-SEC teams for sure. Other than sCam that entire team had just one other player drafted in top two rounds....nick fairley. Other than sCam and Nick it was a 3rd, 4th, and two 7ths drafted in following 3 years. what a joke squad. sCam was well worth the, ahemm, alleged bag of money

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Their dominance was a fraud to begin with, pushed by biased voters. Now that they have to actually defeat two very good teams in the playoffs to win an NC, it will be much more difficult. As far as a SEC team making it to the Championship Game this season, I have a little money that says they will NOT. There are too many better teams out there.

The important thing to remember is not to be influenced by ABC/ESPN and all of their bull s**t hype. All they care about is making money. They will hype any team just to be on a winning bandwagon. Watch what happens after the Oregon-Michigan State game is settled. No matter who wins, ESPN will be hyping the winner as a playoff team.

 

[RunLeeRun]

well really depends on what your version of the word dominance is, RLR

if dominance = winning title 7 straight years then, yes, it's over

if dominance = recruiting best high school players, having best coaching staffs, and producing the most NFL players then, no, it's only just begun. Stadiums are too big, recruiting states have too much talent, and money is too significant at these programs to suggest otherwise.

Yes, those are all parts of dominance. I heavy tilt it towards the title, but recruiting, nfl talent, stadium size and thus $ all come into play with the title feeding those other aspects for future years. It all plays into that perception. Lots of talent in the south so naturally they will always chart well with recruiting and the nfl. The ACC has some fertile territory too, so you see them also getting a lot of draftees. I think the SEC had 54 to ACC 47. Top coaches will probably prefer the south just for the ease of recruiting, though cant disregard the west IF they are somehow able to keep up in the money race. Right now it's a back and forth Big Ten SEC battle with the leader being whoever signes the latest contract. In theory they have the money to keep up with coach salaries of the SEC and I think we've seen improvement at the bigger programs. B10 east population wise is better set up to contend than the west, which also coincides with a recent coach upgrade. Stadium size isnt a runaway. Top 25, that includes all stadiums with 65k plus attendance last year, includes 10 SEC, 7 Big Ten...and we know its a tit for tat with the 100k buildings, but it is impressive that if you drop to top 30, you add 3 more SEC, which just plays into the SEC coattails comment I made. I kind of mean that as a compliment, in a unity sort of way. I guess the short responce is, if it's SEC vs any 1 conference, then yes I'd call it dominance still on all those fronts, but since it's a five way battle, I cant see how it can be called that.

 

[rolltide]

well 9 years in a row SEC has had more players drafted than any other conference. so seems pretty convincing to me on that front but FSU (11 of those 47 ACC) making things a bit more palatable for the other conferences now

L6 drafts SEC 295 chosen ... 2nd best ACC 216

and they nearly double the next best conference L6 years for first rounders with 57. ACC = 30, Big12 = 29, P12 = 26, B10 = 21

but i agree that national title dominance is over but don't agree the other conferences are catching up in talent.

ACC in fertile territory but too many hoops schools that won't fully adopt football (pitt, duke, unc, wake, ncstate) and just don't pay the money for coaching staffs that the SEC will. They also care too much about academics (not a bad thing) and won't actively recruit non-AAU schools just for a football program.

i don't understand why i spend the time defending the sec. if you guys think they aren't dominant and they're overrated so be it....

dude comes on here and says the sec is shit because they don't play northern teams in the cold? whatever. Bama kicking state penn's ass in creepy valley isn't valid because it didn't rain? you guys keep moving the goal posts to try and "prove" the anti-SEC agenda. silly

 

[GoSooners]

I don't see where conference dominance is any factor in determining champions, especially with this new playoff format. If anybody thinks the Big 10 was a dominant conference last year, you must be living on another planet. Yet Ohio State still won the NC...It's going to be all about individual teams and who gets hot down the stretch for here on out...

 

[RunLeeRun]

The cold weather post was just ignorant. OOC games would be in September anyway. Its hot in the north then. That's a junkie post, you know better than to get worked up over that.

 

[CoachCB]

I don't see where conference dominance is any factor in determining champions, especially with this new playoff format. If anybody thinks the Big 10 was a dominant conference last year, you must be living on another planet. Yet Ohio State still won the NC...It's going to be all about individual teams and who gets hot down the stretch for here on out...

Totally agree.

Look at the 1990's ACC: FSU totally DOMINATED.....and that us an understatement. FSU won 2 National Titles in the 1990's ACC and that conference was shit from the get go.

Having a dominating team in a shit conference (which is what FSU and Ohio State have) does a few things:

-It allows for blowouts in practically every game.

-Blowouts allow freshman/younger players real game playing time, which is invaluable in player development.

-It allows the starters to rest...and most importantly, avoid injury.

The combination of these factors allows a powerhouse team in a shit conference (FSU, Ohio State....and I'd say Oregon has been a 1-team show the last 5 or 6 years, as the P12 was down) to develop their young players and blow through the competition. They get a few closer games here and there, but for the most part they toy with the lesser teams.

In the 90's, if FSU lost an ACC game it was a total shock...similar to Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas. It was so improbable that it was the only thing talked about for a week (the few 90's ACC losses they had).

So, having a "dominant" conference isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

[WinOne]

Totally agree.

Look at the 1990's ACC: FSU totally DOMINATED.....and that us an understatement. FSU won 2 National Titles in the 1990's ACC and that conference was shit from the get go.

Having a dominating team in a shit conference (which is what FSU and Ohio State have) does a few things:

-It allows for blowouts in practically every game.

-Blowouts allow freshman/younger players real game playing time, which is invaluable in player development.

-It allows the starters to rest...and most importantly, avoid injury.

The combination of these factors allows a powerhouse team in a shit conference (FSU, Ohio State....and I'd say Oregon has been a 1-team show the last 5 or 6 years, as the P12 was down) to develop their young players and blow through the competition. They get a few closer games here and there, but for the most part they toy with the lesser teams.

In the 90's, if FSU lost an ACC game it was a total shock...similar to Mike Tyson losing to Buster Douglas. It was so improbable that it was the only thing talked about for a week (the few 90's ACC losses they had).

So, having a "dominant" conference isn't necessarily a good thing.

I'd disagree about Oregon considering they've lost to Stanford twice, Zona twice, and USC in the past 4 years. And not all of their conference games have been blowouts. Also when Oregon has stepped out of conference, they've handled teams (Mich St, Tenn, UVa, KSt, Wisky). P12 hasn't been down considering Stan has gone to BCS games as well during this time (Orange and Fiesta). Teams like SC have been down but the rest of the conference has been okay.

 

[WinOne]

I don't see where conference dominance is any factor in determining champions, especially with this new playoff format. If anybody thinks the Big 10 was a dominant conference last year, you must be living on another planet. Yet Ohio State still won the NC...It's going to be all about individual teams and who gets hot down the stretch for here on out...

Agreed. I'd love to have seen those USC teams in this 4 team playoff. They were left out in the cold several years when it appeared they had a team worthy of competing. I remember on separate occasions LSU and Oklahoma jumping over them to get to NC game. If it had been 4 teams, i would have liked their odds.

 

[bobbyjones2]

They got stomped real good last year in the bowls. I mean for a conference boasting the best athletes, alabama got run over as did miss state. The tcu ole miss game shoulda been called at half time. You cant argue with those dudes winning 6 or 7 titles in a row. You cant make excuses for them when they get worked either.