Do East Coast Teams Traveling West for a Late Game...

[BAGIANT]

......have the same problems ATS as the West coast teams traveling East for an early game? It's pretty well documented that West coast teams just don't seem to show up when they are playing 1 pm game on the east coast, when they are used to playing games that start at 4 pm. Just this past week, the Chargers and the Seahawks both lost playing east coast teams, and it was the second time the Seahawks got crushed. Two east coast teams that traveled west for a late game were the Patriots and Bills. They split.

Anyone have any data on these east coast teams traveling west for a late game?

 

[JimmyVegas]

I heard that the pats are staying on the west coast for their matchup against the chargers this week

 

[Jincka]

don't have any data .... but its very interesting and i do wonder what the stats would look like



pats out on the west coast again this week for a late game .... something to keep in mind

 

[JimmyVegas]

also a buddy of mine has told me that seattle is horrendus on the east coast at 1pm games................money in the bank.............i tried to warn some people on sunday but no one listened

 

[BAGIANT]

Seahags got destroyed twice traveling west to east this year.

 

[wizardofodd]

same thing that happened to airzona, i forget the 1st game, but when they got hammered by the jets the 2nd game and were down 31-0 at halftime.

 

[TheShambler]

same thing that happened to airzona, i forget the 1st game, but when they got hammered by the jets the 2nd game and were down 31-0 at halftime.

Different scenario.

Zona was on the second week of playing on the EAst coast for an early game. They elected to remain on the east coast to avoid any travel issues.

The real problem in that game was Warner was playing with a new type of glove and even watching video of warmups he had problems gripping the ball,hence all the turnovers.

This scenario works well but remember anyone who has played this trend or angle the last couple years would have mad $$$ fading the Seahawks but lost $$$ fading the Chargers. They were real road warriors.

 

[beejmi]

It is a great system. I believe I have as extensive records as anybody that exist in terms of tracking this trend. Mine go back to 1995. I will tell you that home dogs and small favorites do great (hit 2 out of 3) but once you start laying 3+ points it becomes a .500 play.

Home dogs and favorites (up to -2.5) vs a west coast team playing at 10 am EST. So far in 2008 Buffalo (opening day vs Seattle) and Miami (vs San Diego) have been winners.

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2002​

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Bengals -2.5 vs Chargers​

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Bills +3 vs Raiders​

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Chiefs +3 vs Broncos​

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Saints -1.5 vs 49ers​

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Chiefs +2.5 vs Raiders​

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Cowboys +4.5 vs 49ers​

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Dolphins-1.5 vs Raiders​

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Chiefs -2 vs Chargers​

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Cowboys -2 vs Seahawks​

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Bengals +6 vs Broncos​

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Vikings -1 vs 49ers​

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Bears +4 vs Raiders​

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Packers -1.5 vs Seahawks​

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Bengals +2.5 vs Seahawks​

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Lions +3 vs Raiders​

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Bears -2 vs Chargers​

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Saints +2.5 vs Seahawks​

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Jaguars +3 vs Broncos​

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Texans +2.5 vs Raiders​

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Rams+1.5 vs Seahawks​

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Browns +9.5 vs Chargers​

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Dolphins +5 vs Broncos​

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Redskins -2 vs Seahawks​

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Titans +1 vs Raiders​

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Jets +6 vs Chargers​

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Redskins +3.5 vs Chargers​

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Jets +3 vs Raiders​

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Texans +2.5 vs Cardinals​

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Titans +7 vs Seahawks​

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Chiefs Pk vs Chargers​

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Lions +6 vs Seahawks​

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Rams +3.5 vs Broncos​

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Ravens +2 vs Chargers​

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Rams +3 vs Seahwks​

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Chiefs+5.5 vs Chargers​

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Bengals +1 vs Chargers​

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Bills +6 vs Chargers​

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2007​

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Bills +3 vs Broncos​

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Packers +6 vs Chargers​

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Rams +4 vs Cardinals​

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Vikings +7 vs Chargers​

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Bears -1.5 vs Broncos​

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Rams +3 vs Seahawks​

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Chiefs +6 vs Chargers​

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[MREAST]

good system but...

That has proven to be good at any line over the years, but if you look at your games selected, many (57 games worth), do not fit West Coast Teams, playing on the East Coast, and a 3 hour time change. You have several games with just a 1 hour time difference, for example Denver vs KC is 1 hr. How do you use KC,DEN,MN,GB,STL,NO, etc. as East Coast games starting at 10AM? These teams are in the Central, or Mountain time zones with just 1-2 hrs difference for the West Coast teams.

 

[beejmi]

Denver should probably be taken out of the mix. Although if you go through their records, they do not do well on the east coast. That is something I meant to do.

In terms of your other questions, when researching this trend (last summer) I went through and found old schedules online and used only the games that started at 1 pm EST. I considered the starting time where they were at to be relevant as long as it still equated to 1 pm EST / 10 am West coast time. Yes you could make a case that Kansas City isn't a three hour time difference and throw out those results although if the game starts noon central time that is still 1 pm EST and 10 am on the west coast. Hope that made sense.