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Has anyone seen this on TV and in which state?
Has anyone seen this on TV and in which state?
Usual right wing slander attack, you can bet Rove is behind it.
A group of Vietnam veterans has bought television time in three swing states for an advertisement that attacks Senator John Kerry, accusing him of lying about his war record, including the circumstances surrounding his medals, and betraying his comrades by later opposing the war.
"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the veterans,
Larry Thurlow, says in the 60-second advertisement, scheduled to begin running today in scattered markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Robert G. Elder, like Mr. Kerry a Navy lieutenant who commanded a Swift boat, declares, "John Kerry is no war hero," and Robert Hildreth, who held a similar post, intones, "John Kerry cannot be trusted."
The Kerry campaign immediately denounced the group, noting that none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded, like Gene Thorson, who told reporters, "These assertions are garbage; these people weren't there with John Kerry."
The advertisement, which layers snippets from recent interviews with a dozen veterans over familiar black-and-white photographs of Mr. Kerry and his men in uniform, is the latest tactic of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a 200-member group that held a news conference in Washington this spring to make similar accusations. It is one of several independent groups, known as 527's for the provision in the tax code that enables their operation, to run attack advertisements this season.
Tax documents show that from April to June, the group collected $158,750 from 11 people, $100,000 of it from Bob J. Perry, a Houston developer who is a major contributor to Republican campaigns.
Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said he had not seen the advertisement and tried to distance the president from it.
"The Bush-Cheney campaign has never and will never question John Kerry's service during Vietnam," Mr. Schmidt said. "The election will not be about the past, it will be about the future."
Mr. Kerry's aides circulated an 18-page packet discrediting the veterans group and linking its backers to Republicans, noting that a public-relations consultant the group paid $27,000 this spring, Merrie Spaeth, was also involved in a advertising campaign attacking Senator John McCain during his tough race against Mr. Bush in the 2000 primary in South Carolina. The Kerry campaign also convened a conference call in which two of Mr. Kerry's crewmates, and a man he pulled from the Mekong River, defended his service.
"The fact is, John Kerry risked his life to save the lives of others,'' said Chad Clanton, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign.
Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, who is retired and who says in the advertisement, "John Kerry has not been honest," acknowledged that the men in the advertisement did not serve on Mr. Kerry's boat, but he said their time in parallel boats on coordinated missions, or as Mr. Kerry's superiors, made them valid commentators on his record. The group provided station managers with a 13-page memorandum, backed up by more than 60 pages of sworn statements, book excerpts and military records.
"We were on the same operations, we were operating within 25-50 yards of him all the time, and for them to suggest we don't know John Kerry is pure old bull," Mr. Hoffman said. "He has made this the centerpiece of this campaign, and we just don't think he's qualified to be the commander in chief of the armed forces. We have every right to be heard."
Produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio & Potham, a Republican firm based in Alexandria, Va., the advertisement tees off with Mr. Kerry's running mate, Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, saying that the best way to understand Mr. Kerry is to "spend three minutes with the men who served with him." Then the anti-Kerry veterans speak one by one:
"John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star," says one, Van O'Dell. "I know. I was there. I saw what happened."
Another, Jack Chenoweth, says, "His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day." Adrian L. Lonsdale, one of Mr. Kerry's superiors in Vietnam, says Mr. Kerry "lacks the capacity to lead," Shelton White, a Swift boat commander, says he "betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam," and Joseph L. Ponder adds, "He dishonored his country, he most certainly did."
A doctor, Louis Letson, repeats accusations he made in newspaper interviews this spring that Mr. Kerry did not deserve his first Purple Heart because his wounds resulted from a ricochet off friendly fire, saying in the advertisement, "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury." The Kerry campaign pointed out yesterday, as it had previously, that another doctor, J. C. Carreon, signed Mr. Kerry's treatment record.
Mr. Hoffman said the group was spending $500,000 to run the advertisement but would not say how long it would be on the air; a Kerry aide said the buy was far smaller, $156,000 in seven smallish markets like Green Bay, Wis., and Toledo, Ohio, suggesting it was a "vanity buy'' intended to attract news coverage.
JODI WILGOREN
NY Times
A group of Vietnam veterans has bought television time in three swing states for an advertisement that attacks Senator John Kerry, accusing him of lying about his war record, including the circumstances surrounding his medals, and betraying his comrades by later opposing the war.
"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the veterans,
Larry Thurlow, says in the 60-second advertisement, scheduled to begin running today in scattered markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Robert G. Elder, like Mr. Kerry a Navy lieutenant who commanded a Swift boat, declares, "John Kerry is no war hero," and Robert Hildreth, who held a similar post, intones, "John Kerry cannot be trusted."
The Kerry campaign immediately denounced the group, noting that none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded, like Gene Thorson, who told reporters, "These assertions are garbage; these people weren't there with John Kerry."
The advertisement, which layers snippets from recent interviews with a dozen veterans over familiar black-and-white photographs of Mr. Kerry and his men in uniform, is the latest tactic of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a 200-member group that held a news conference in Washington this spring to make similar accusations. It is one of several independent groups, known as 527's for the provision in the tax code that enables their operation, to run attack advertisements this season.
Tax documents show that from April to June, the group collected $158,750 from 11 people, $100,000 of it from Bob J. Perry, a Houston developer who is a major contributor to Republican campaigns.
Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said he had not seen the advertisement and tried to distance the president from it.
"The Bush-Cheney campaign has never and will never question John Kerry's service during Vietnam," Mr. Schmidt said. "The election will not be about the past, it will be about the future."
Mr. Kerry's aides circulated an 18-page packet discrediting the veterans group and linking its backers to Republicans, noting that a public-relations consultant the group paid $27,000 this spring, Merrie Spaeth, was also involved in a advertising campaign attacking Senator John McCain during his tough race against Mr. Bush in the 2000 primary in South Carolina. The Kerry campaign also convened a conference call in which two of Mr. Kerry's crewmates, and a man he pulled from the Mekong River, defended his service.
"The fact is, John Kerry risked his life to save the lives of others,'' said Chad Clanton, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign.
Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, who is retired and who says in the advertisement, "John Kerry has not been honest," acknowledged that the men in the advertisement did not serve on Mr. Kerry's boat, but he said their time in parallel boats on coordinated missions, or as Mr. Kerry's superiors, made them valid commentators on his record. The group provided station managers with a 13-page memorandum, backed up by more than 60 pages of sworn statements, book excerpts and military records.
"We were on the same operations, we were operating within 25-50 yards of him all the time, and for them to suggest we don't know John Kerry is pure old bull," Mr. Hoffman said. "He has made this the centerpiece of this campaign, and we just don't think he's qualified to be the commander in chief of the armed forces. We have every right to be heard."
Produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio & Potham, a Republican firm based in Alexandria, Va., the advertisement tees off with Mr. Kerry's running mate, Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, saying that the best way to understand Mr. Kerry is to "spend three minutes with the men who served with him." Then the anti-Kerry veterans speak one by one:
"John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star," says one, Van O'Dell. "I know. I was there. I saw what happened."
Another, Jack Chenoweth, says, "His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day." Adrian L. Lonsdale, one of Mr. Kerry's superiors in Vietnam, says Mr. Kerry "lacks the capacity to lead," Shelton White, a Swift boat commander, says he "betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam," and Joseph L. Ponder adds, "He dishonored his country, he most certainly did."
A doctor, Louis Letson, repeats accusations he made in newspaper interviews this spring that Mr. Kerry did not deserve his first Purple Heart because his wounds resulted from a ricochet off friendly fire, saying in the advertisement, "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury." The Kerry campaign pointed out yesterday, as it had previously, that another doctor, J. C. Carreon, signed Mr. Kerry's treatment record.
Mr. Hoffman said the group was spending $500,000 to run the advertisement but would not say how long it would be on the air; a Kerry aide said the buy was far smaller, $156,000 in seven smallish markets like Green Bay, Wis., and Toledo, Ohio, suggesting it was a "vanity buy'' intended to attract news coverage.
JODI WILGOREN
NY Times
OK,OK We all know how John Kerry is a regular George fxckin Washington so that immediatley makes these guys redneck idiot liars.
So how about some 180 degree quotes from the "Faux Hero" himself on some recent quotes right from the horse faces mouth.
http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
So how about some 180 degree quotes from the "Faux Hero" himself on some recent quotes right from the horse faces mouth.
http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
I don't like this tactic...it is one thing for me and others to scream about Kerry's war record but you should really careful about putting it into the mainstream. His war record, pro or con, isn't going to change one vote. Move-on.org's commericials and the Michael Moore movie triggered a nice little backlash in favor of Bush; I hope something similar won't happen here.
Gotta disagree Shotgun...the Moore-ons, hollywood,"Moe" Howard Dean, John Kerry have a lot of blood on their hands from past and present.Lot of kids are getting killed due to their mindless propaganda.
I am wondering why Kerry isn't on the docket at court today to admitting killing woman and children and war crimes in Vietnam.
The libs don't have any problem with the 20 year old gal being sacrifced over what amounts to fraternity hazing.
I am wondering why Kerry isn't on the docket at court today to admitting killing woman and children and war crimes in Vietnam.
The libs don't have any problem with the 20 year old gal being sacrifced over what amounts to fraternity hazing.
Gameface, that's false. None of these men served on the same swift boat as Kerry. From an AP article today re: this ad:
""The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. The leader of the group, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's.
Jim Rassmann, an Army veteran who was saved by Kerry, said there were only six crewmates who served with Kerry on his boat. Five support his candidacy and one is deceased.""
Seems that all of the men who served right alongside Kerry, who know him best, support him, while those who didn't know him best are against him. Seems like a little swiftboat rivalry taken to the extreme here. Shameful.
""The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. The leader of the group, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's.
Jim Rassmann, an Army veteran who was saved by Kerry, said there were only six crewmates who served with Kerry on his boat. Five support his candidacy and one is deceased.""
Seems that all of the men who served right alongside Kerry, who know him best, support him, while those who didn't know him best are against him. Seems like a little swiftboat rivalry taken to the extreme here. Shameful.
Could this be another vast right wing conspiracy, or is it the truth?
Kerry's record spells it all out: He'll pat you on the back with one hand while impaling you with the other hand - he stabbed all of his Vietnam Vet "brothers" right in the back - after he earned his 3 scratches and two stars - in 4 months!
Kerry is a jerk-off, pure and simple!
Kerry's record spells it all out: He'll pat you on the back with one hand while impaling you with the other hand - he stabbed all of his Vietnam Vet "brothers" right in the back - after he earned his 3 scratches and two stars - in 4 months!
Kerry is a jerk-off, pure and simple!
The advertisement is a crock of shit. If you deplore Moore's truth-bending ways, then you're a hypocrite if you don't denounce this ad. For example, how many times do these punks say " John Kerry betrayed us"? I'm sitting there thinking, what, did Kerry hang them out to dry on a battlefield or something? No, in fact, the betrayal they are talking about is Kerry's protest of the Veitnam war. This ad is the lowest of the low, it's dripping in slime. Not to mention they're SELLING A BOOK.
Oren - while soldiers were in Vietnam, some dying there, Kerry was protesting and lending credence to the likes of Hanoi Jane and her evil ilk! He was indirectly aiding and abetting the enemy.
If he simply protested, I'd say "Good", he's practicing his rights as an American - but he openly stated that American soldiers were committing all kinds of attrocities in Vietnam.
As A Vietnam Vet, I find this action deplorable; he openly lied about and dissed his brother vets - where I comef from, you just don't do that.
He drove a damned boat - he wasn't out in the bush tracking down and dealing with chuck. Chances are his scratches came from 40mm grenades exploding in the branches above the boat - a common grievance amongst boat swabbies.
The guy has proven his perfidy time and again, going one way on a vote and then reversing himself. It's a matter of publuc record that he jokingly admits himself. How many other people has he left in the sway after turning his back on them.
If he becomes President, I'll be true and support the office - but he'll always be a "Hanoi John" to me.
If he simply protested, I'd say "Good", he's practicing his rights as an American - but he openly stated that American soldiers were committing all kinds of attrocities in Vietnam.
As A Vietnam Vet, I find this action deplorable; he openly lied about and dissed his brother vets - where I comef from, you just don't do that.
He drove a damned boat - he wasn't out in the bush tracking down and dealing with chuck. Chances are his scratches came from 40mm grenades exploding in the branches above the boat - a common grievance amongst boat swabbies.
The guy has proven his perfidy time and again, going one way on a vote and then reversing himself. It's a matter of publuc record that he jokingly admits himself. How many other people has he left in the sway after turning his back on them.
If he becomes President, I'll be true and support the office - but he'll always be a "Hanoi John" to me.
They are interviewing 2 of the men now on the radio. One was a rear admiral and one says he served 3 of the 4 months on the boat with Kerry, they sound very credible. The same shit Kerry is a cronic liar. As I suspected the purple hearts are frauds, Kerry had NO injuries and no one else in Vietnam recieved Purple hearts for paper cuts. No else got out of Vietnam after 4 months w/o serious injuries. It's easy to see Kerrys a fraud.
bblight, I can simpathise with those that do feel that Kerry betrayed them in some way... what really makes me mad is when the media takes a 5 second blurb and tries to sensationalize it, use it out of context, and/or tries to mislead the public's reaction to it. If they would have said why they thought Kerry betrayed them, fine. But a lot of people get their news from the headlines, and fill in the blanks on their own, and the Bush administration and these guys selling their book are trying to take advantage of our ignorance. In the end I value honesty, and political tactics, of which the Bush administration has made an art form out of spin and deception, make me sick.
