Discussing online gambling with a POLITICIAN

Fishhead · Nov 5, 2008

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]I received 48.5% of the vote but never got to the Podium or debate, to talk about the financial mess, farm policy or the need for Congressional Change. So if you want your winter meetings to be directed by you the members and not just the supports of your Executive Secretaries and managers and a new view. Contact me at........[/FONT]

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FH
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/05/2008 : 2:33:45 PM[/FONT]

<HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]What is your stance on Online gambling?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]MILLIONS of Americans would like the oppurtunity to do this, but the government is holding it back and never speaking about it in public about it, and when they do, they are implicating things that just are not true.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Seeing how politics and politicians have handled this has really opened my eyes to other areas of the political landscape.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]I do not like what I have seen and came to learn.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]On your AG issues, I will need more time to study your proposals, and let you know my thoughts.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Thanks for allowing us to be heard.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sincerely,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]LANDBARRON[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/05/2008 : 2:46:28 PM[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]I think we have more than enough Gambling today and online gaming would only put alot of good people with gambling problems into bigger financial problems. My view Alan![/FONT]
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FH
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/05/2008 : 3:12:35 PM[/FONT]

<HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sadly, this is the feeling of way to many in the political spotlight.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]There are so many points here that need to be appropriately explained and well thought out, I sometimes do not know where to begin when explaining to someone that doesnt have a full grasp of this and understands it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]First off, do some citizens have gambling problems, of course. As you suggested, there are many outlets now for gambling other than online. Anyone with a habitual or serious gambling problem will find these outlets and blow/lose their money anyway and sometimes doing so in places that are NOT legal.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The ratio of individuals that would just like to enjoy gambling online for recreation(and profit) tremendously outweighs the few that get into financial trouble gambling. Furthermore, if legalized, online gambling would open the doors for hundreds if not thousands of jobs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]I also have a very hare time with the government pushing moral standards on the U.S. citizen, as if they were an 9 year old child, it is just not right. Furthermore, there are many LEGALIZED areas where anti-gambling expansion individuals such as yourself should be looking into if that is how you feel.........how about we BAN cigerattes, do not allow drinking and driving in any form whatsoever, getting rid of chemicals in our food and cleaning products, etc., etc. One of the reasons is that government officials want and do have a piece of the pie.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Getting back to the issue, it really is alarming that the government feels it has the right to tell AMERICANS HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY........that is almost a form of dictatorship.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]By not allowing online gambling, you are actually forcing the few gambling degenerates to play games run by the states and government that are a total RIPOFF for the player!!! Most state lotteries take 25% and more off the top, meaning the player is only getting a 75% return on their money. Heck, most Las Vegas slots pay over 96%. Then you have the racetracks taking a cut of 12-25%, THE PLAYER HAS NO CHANCE.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]With poker and sportsbetting, GAMES OF SKILL I MIGHT ADD, the player has a chance to win, and many do professionally.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It has been a downright disgrace what politicians have done to online poker players and sportsbettors in this country.[/FONT]

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Fishhead · Nov 5, 2008

If you would like to ask any questions or let your thoughts heard, tell me.

FH

ps--my handle is Landbarron on this AG forum.

whalewager · Nov 5, 2008

Just tell us what forum it is and we will speak for ourselves. Thanks.

Fishhead · Nov 5, 2008

georgejefferson said:
Just tell us what forum it is and we will speak for ourselves. Thanks.

I don't think they are taking anymore signups, but you can try.

It is Agweb.com

This dicussion is in the TALK MONEY AND MARKETS section and is in the 'speaker for your winter meetings" thread.

Let me know if you can signup..........if you can, EVERYONE should join and post.

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zeeman · Nov 5, 2008

FH,

Do you expect another response from the Senator. Please post if Senator responses to your last p[osting.

Fishhead · Nov 5, 2008

zeeman said:
fh,

do you expect another response from the senator. Please post if senator responses to your last p[osting.

SportSavant · Nov 5, 2008

focus of argument should be on fundamental freedoms, and not all this peripheral stuff.

Fishhead · Nov 6, 2008

Update--he has yet to respond to my last post.............

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]<SMALL>1840 Posts</SMALL>[/FONT]
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And I am not a basher of your ordeal and respect your efforts to seek political office....but damn man.....running an add....

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/05/2008 : 4:51:04 PM[/FONT]

<HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Dave, for once you and I agree. He does this on a regular basis and it is no different than anyone else running an ad on here. If they want ads, then buy one. This approach is demeaning to everyone.[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=20>

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/05/2008 : 4:56:17 PM[/FONT]

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got married. Who is this guy?[/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=20>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top width="100%" bgColor=gainsboro colSpan=2 height="100%"><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> <HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Dave
The country has serious problems and I want to talk about them in a national basis based on experience and the numbers so they get addressed. You as farmers have only the same people each year at you meetings and my post (you call a ad) says that should change. Yet since 1998 without subsidy checks you would all be broke and not millionaires as you are today. Yet good farm policy didn't bring high grain prices but disasterous energy policy did. Policy that has killed our friends in town, the working folks/wage earners of rural America.

I posted here to see if this is a sight for meaningful change and leadership. Would you posters seek change at the Podium but it sadly seems you just want to be a closed lonely souls club and pocket more cash and bitch.

Dave i have added alot of info here that should be talked about such as ethanol blending and much more but by someone new. Plus i will not get a big check from the government on a year like all of you posting here will get, even with the highest taxable income you as farmers will ever have! Yet you call yourselves conservatives. Yet today's farmers have become the most liberal group in America with their hands out for anything they can get and that's not what conservatives or leaders do.

So Dave now you think land owners should get 80% of the crop and still have the lowly taxpayer send them a check, i don't! But markets will work if policy simply addresses sound cost of production practices! Sugar policy proved it, oh, thats right, you won't let anyone different at the Podium, to give you something new to think about! That's just like the Republican party that got their Clock kicked yesterday! Think about! Dave the Country is in big trouble even with Obama, because the biggest problem is Congress and it's perrenial members didn't change. So lookout, the mess is just starting to affect America! Alan

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</TD><TD vAlign=top width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff colSpan=2 height="100%"><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top> <HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]You sound like a socialist alan, in that you have a plan where the government fixes the problem.

But we think that the solution is elimination of the government, and a return to free enterprise, where the farmers raise what is profitable and contributes to social stability.

The end of corn utopia.

the government is now broke, and the US dollar is failing rapid as a means of world trade and exchange, how do you veiw that?

The forces of economics will bring this, sooner than we want to admit, but not too many people are going to pay to hear it.

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 11/06/2008 : [/FONT]<HR noShade SIZE=1></TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top height="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Alan,

Please address the topics I brought up on online gambling.

The positives of totally legalizing online gambling FAR OUTWEIGH the negatives.

As an individual involved with agriculture/farming and gambling, this situation with online gambling is 2x more concerning of me, as it infringes are basic freedoms as U.S. citizens.

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