Did Gronkowksi really only have 2 catches for 15 yards the whole game ?

[PatsFan1283]

Several examples of people playing well at 38-40.
41, never.

We shall see.

The following statement is 100% fact.


If TB plays great this season he will be the first qb in nfl history to do so.

Good luck with that.

The historical argument doesn't mean much when QB's are playing longer than ever now. The game is entirely geared to the QB not getting hit in ways it never was before. Not to mention offensive sophistication to get the ball out quicker.

He might bet he first QB to play well at 41 but there are also a lot of QB's in the NFL playing well at 35-38 right now and that never happened before either.

It's not as crazy of an outlier as you make it sound with how the game/training have evolved.

 

[unusualsusp11]

Well i said the same thing which is why i put a lot of money against them this season.

i have never done that in the past.

I have never bet a pats under in my life till this season.

My belief is Brady even if he defies his age the team around him will be enough to easily get the under 11 wins.

you had good foresight on betting on under 11 wins. best analysis before the season i have seen. extremely sharp. 10 is the absolute most they can get this year and that is in doubt.

 

[CHOPTALK]

The historical argument doesn't mean much when QB's are playing longer than ever now. The game is entirely geared to the QB not getting hit in ways it never was before. Not to mention offensive sophistication to get the ball out quicker.

He might bet he first QB to play well at 41 but there are also a lot of QB's in the NFL playing well at 35-38 right now and that never happened before either.

It's not as crazy of an outlier as you make it sound with how the game/training have evolved.

I saw signs of regression last season from brady and this season.

I even saw signs from manning in 2015 when he was breaking records as crazy as that seems.

And yes i see signs for brees as well.

Sometimes it take a bit for that to finally show up in the box score. But its coming soon.

 

[unusualsusp11]

If you think the team just totally blows then that's 1 thing.

But if they're just pretty good then they should win the AFC east. Then what? They gotta go to big bad Jacksonville in January? And what's the line as a worst case scenario? 4? 5? So they're 33% to win that game? Doesn't sound so bad, just below where they've been.

'05, '06, '09, '13 their teams all kinda sucked due to various circumstances and still were there at the end due to the higher floor created by the AFC east+having Brady/BB.

true but those teams were seemingly better staffed than this one and brady is after all 41. they stagger to 10 wins and win their wildcard home game and go into kansas city or jacksonville and get thumped. that's their best case scenario.

 

[PatsFan1283]

true but those teams were seemingly better staffed than this one and brady is after all 41. they stagger to 10 wins and win their wildcard home game and go into kansas city or jacksonville and get thumped. that's their best case scenario.

We'll see. 4 months is a long time. JVille still has Bortles/Marrone and KC D sucks.

If you want to pretend an underdog can't win a playoff game then we'll have to disagree as well. It's a 3 hour game, shit happens. This isn't the NBA.

Also, they just got the magnanimous and dependable Josh Gordon.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Well correct this is not the nba.
I could be correct about the pats and they can still go to the super bowl.
I could see them winning the division at 9-7 and going to the sb.

Yes that could happen.

Not only is the afc east weak the entire conference is a semi joke.


But they are not the same as they have been and under 11 is a very safe bet.

I mean do you honestly think they can win 12 games this year?

 

[PatsFan1283]

Obviously they're a dog right now, schedule is pretty difficult. But I don't think anyone would be floored if they went 11-3 over their next 14 games.

Based on future odds right now, their intra-season implied win total would be what, 10.4? Not a huge outlier.

But yes, you have the best of your bet after 2 weeks.

 

[Willie99]

Several examples of people playing well at 38-40.
41, never.

We shall see.

The following statement is 100% fact.


If TB plays great this season he will be the first qb in nfl history to do so.

Good luck with that.

Ah yes, Tom Brady, who led the league in passing yards and won the the NFL's MVP award clearly showed signs of regression. especially when he set a new Super Bowl record for passing yards against the leagues best defensive team just 7 months ago

I wonder how good he could of been it he didn't show all those signs of regressing?

But that's it, it's over, he just hit a cliff and he's not WINNING anymore

C'mon man, that's "Jeff Francoeur is going to be the next Mickey Mantle" like material, geez

Sometimes I think you have to be kidding, but I'm just not sure

 

[CHOPTALK]

Ah yes, Tom Brady, who led the league in passing yards and won the the NFL's MVP award clearly showed signs of regression. especially when he set a new Super Bowl record for passing yards against the leagues best defensive team just 7 months ago

I wonder how good he could of been it he didn't show all those signs of regressing?

But that's it, it's over, he just hit a cliff and he's not WINNING anymore

C'mon man, that's "Jeff Francoeur is going to be the next Mickey Mantle" like material, geez

Sometimes I think you have to be kidding, but I'm just not sure

Maybe you should look up Peyton Manning’s 2015 stats .
You know that season he broke records .
You know the one right before 2016 when he could not throw the ball 20 yards?

Speaking of predictions, still think Kimbrel still has zero chance to be the all time saves leader?

 

[PatsFan1283]

When Gronk, Hogan, Edelman, sober/rejuvenated/redeemed/reborn Gordon, Michel, Cannon all back on the field together at the same time, we'll see what happens.

Maybe with his mind in the right place, Gordon can play DB too.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Maybe you should look up Peyton Manning’s 2015 stats .
You know that season he broke records .
You know the one right before 2016 when he could not throw the ball 20 yards?

Speaking of predictions, still think Kimbrel still has zero chance to be the all time saves leader?

You got the years off, 2013 and 2014. '13 was the record year, then '14 he was good and got hurt around week 10ish and was never the same.

He also had like 4 neck surgeries and isn't on TB12 method.

 

[Willie99]

Maybe you should look up Peyton Manning’s 2015 stats .
You know that season he broke records .
You know the one right before 2016 when he could not throw the ball 20 yards?

Speaking of predictions, still think Kimbrel still has zero chance to be the all time saves leader?

Age 35
Manning; sat out the season with a neck injury
Brady; 4800 34 8

Age 36
Manning; 4700 37 11
Brady; 4300 25 11


Age 37
Manning; 5500 55 10
Brady; 4100 33 9

Age 38
Manning; 4700 39 15 (yep, that's regressing, especially late THAT season)
Brady; 4800 36 7 (maybe we have a different definition for regression)

Age 39
Manning; 2200 9 17
Brady; 3600 28 2 (it's not fair to make this comparison)

Age 40
Manning; Pizza Hut spokesman
Brady; 4600 32 8 (MVP & SB record passing yards)

You're right, Manning(s) fall off cliffs. Tom has shown NO signs of regression

In that six year window, Manning suffered like the worst SB loss ever and won a SB with the worst performance of a SB QB ever (worst winning performance for sure)

In that six year window, Brady won two SB MVP's and set a passing record in the third SB

Comparing these two men late in their careers is just not fair. And Manning had a debilitating neck injury that took his arm away.



As for Kimbrel, he has NO chance at catching MO unless he's as good late in his career as MO was and Brady is (oh the irony, eh?)

He has to stay at the top of his game, stay healthy, play for a good team and remain the closer for another 10 years to have a chance. good luck with that

 

[unusualsusp11]

When Gronk, Hogan, Edelman, sober/rejuvenated/redeemed/reborn Gordon, Michel, Cannon all back on the field together at the same time, we'll see what happens.

Maybe with his mind in the right place, Gordon can play DB too.

maybe, but team seems somewhat patched together with retreads, rookies, aged and rehabbed players. if they stay healthy outside chance for 10 wins. if they lose to detroit, no shot.

 

[Willie99]

SB odds today

Rams are favored, the Patriots with a washed up QB are second. Those bookmakers must be fucking stupid

Wish I could find odds on Kimbrel, I'm sure he's plus some serious money

 

[Avocado33]

New England is New England. They will be fine.

12-4 and a Super Bowl appearance most likely.

 

[PatsFan1283]

maybe, but team seems somewhat patched together with retreads, rookies, aged and rehabbed players. if they stay healthy outside chance for 10 wins. if they lose to detroit, no shot.

Probably beat the Chiefs @Arrowhead in a game they get outgained 448-236 and Andy Reid punts on 4th and 1 4 times while burning all of his timeouts in the 3rd quarter so the Chiefs can't get a final play off at the 1 yard line as time expires.

The other teams got flaws too. Keep that in mind.

Well, not some of these NFC beasts but that's down the line.

 

[ERockMoney]

Probably beat the Chiefs @Arrowhead in a game they get outgained 448-236 and Andy Reid punts on 4th and 1 4 times while burning all of his timeouts in the 3rd quarter so the Chiefs can't get a final play off at the 1 yard line as time expires.

The other teams got flaws too. Keep that in mind.

Well, not some of these NFC beasts but that's down the line.

Bingo. This may be the Patriots worst team in years and they will likely still win the AFC. Who’s going to beat them? Pittsburgh, not a chance in hell with Tomlin strolling the sidelines, KC, forget about it, we’ve seen this game from Reid before, they’ll be one and done per usual. Last time I checked this team still has Brady and Belichick, which is more than enough in the AFC.