do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
do you have any idea how big that dessert is and how easy it would be to have the weapons buried, then shoot the poor bastards that buried it so no one knows where to find it? or, is that a ridiculous scenario given what we know about slow-witted, compassionate saddam hussein?
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
do you have any idea how big that dessert is and how easy it would be to have the weapons buried, then shoot the poor bastards that buried it so no one knows where to find it? or, is that a ridiculous scenario given what we know about slow-witted, compassionate saddam hussein?
It is very obvious that bush was wrong in his plan. Now we are policing the country and his team is asking for 87 billion more to do this. Bush was pleading to the UN today for help that he most likely will not get. Do you understand that this is killing an economy that was already weak.
Bush has put my grandchildren for the next 2-3 generations in charge of flipping the bill to cover this useless invasion.
Bush has put my grandchildren for the next 2-3 generations in charge of flipping the bill to cover this useless invasion.
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do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
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I think you are talking about the fake reports.
hey blue, i think you are blind or maybe just DUMB. i dont think you ahould participate in political debates.
do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
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I think you are talking about the fake reports.
hey blue, i think you are blind or maybe just DUMB. i dont think you ahould participate in political debates.
aiton, very insightful response.
i am no genius but i would be willing to compare iq scores with you or anyone else in this forum (except jj). you think i "ahould" not participate in political debates...hhmmmm...is that because i don't agree with you?
you liberals really make me laugh. someone takes the other side and you call them "dumb". you, johnny depp, etc.
i am no genius but i would be willing to compare iq scores with you or anyone else in this forum (except jj). you think i "ahould" not participate in political debates...hhmmmm...is that because i don't agree with you?
you liberals really make me laugh. someone takes the other side and you call them "dumb". you, johnny depp, etc.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blue edwards:
do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
do you have any idea how big that dessert is and how easy it would be to have the weapons buried, then shoot the poor bastards that buried it so no one knows where to find it? or, is that a ridiculous scenario given what we know about slow-witted, compassionate saddam hussein?
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Would they bury them in a big apple pie or something? I'm confused. Are we sharing the dessert with someone? You've intrigued my sweet tooth.
Anyway, intelligence reports or not, entering into a war such as this with so little international support (and divided domestic support) was a bad idea. There was no imminent threat. This was not a pre-emptive strike. This war was pushed by the hawks and took place on their schedule. Post-war planning, if there was any at all, was wholly inadequate. Is it good that Saddam is out of power? Yes. Does the end justify the means? No. This war, as conducted, was a major blunder.
do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no.
do you have any idea how big that dessert is and how easy it would be to have the weapons buried, then shoot the poor bastards that buried it so no one knows where to find it? or, is that a ridiculous scenario given what we know about slow-witted, compassionate saddam hussein?
Would they bury them in a big apple pie or something? I'm confused. Are we sharing the dessert with someone? You've intrigued my sweet tooth.
Anyway, intelligence reports or not, entering into a war such as this with so little international support (and divided domestic support) was a bad idea. There was no imminent threat. This was not a pre-emptive strike. This war was pushed by the hawks and took place on their schedule. Post-war planning, if there was any at all, was wholly inadequate. Is it good that Saddam is out of power? Yes. Does the end justify the means? No. This war, as conducted, was a major blunder.
Blue Edwards,
While I don't agree with you on much, I usually consider your posts to be pretty well thought out and worth a read.
That's why this threw me...
"do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no."
I don't know if your T.V. is on the fritz or what but bushwacker recently admitted himself that there was no proof of a connection between Saddam and 911. Besides that it's come to light that documentation used as supposed proof of the WMD program had signatures of officials that were out of office before the documents were created. I find it hard to believe that you don't at least have your doubts about the WMD's.
BTW that I.Q. comment was in poor taste in my opinion. It's my personal feeling that people that have to point out or mention their I.Q. tend to be demonstrating insecurity. Anybody of above average intelligence can you usually detect others similar simply by observing what they have to say and how they express their thoughts. Like I say I usually consider what you have to say to be coming from a pretty bright guy despite the fact that we disagree on a lot of issues, the I.Q. statement has slightly diminished that.
While I don't agree with you on much, I usually consider your posts to be pretty well thought out and worth a read.
That's why this threw me...
"do you guys know what the hell you are talking about? answer - no, you have no clue.
did you see the intelligence reports? again, no."
I don't know if your T.V. is on the fritz or what but bushwacker recently admitted himself that there was no proof of a connection between Saddam and 911. Besides that it's come to light that documentation used as supposed proof of the WMD program had signatures of officials that were out of office before the documents were created. I find it hard to believe that you don't at least have your doubts about the WMD's.
BTW that I.Q. comment was in poor taste in my opinion. It's my personal feeling that people that have to point out or mention their I.Q. tend to be demonstrating insecurity. Anybody of above average intelligence can you usually detect others similar simply by observing what they have to say and how they express their thoughts. Like I say I usually consider what you have to say to be coming from a pretty bright guy despite the fact that we disagree on a lot of issues, the I.Q. statement has slightly diminished that.
d2, sorry for the misspelling. have to disagree with you however. i am not of the opinion that the u.s. needs international support to protect its interests. i'd rather not wait around for someone to attack us before we act. also, i do believe that saddam had wmd and successfully hid them somewhere in his country or smuggled them out to one of his sympathetic neighbors. i think that this will become evident...maybe not in 30 days but eventually. btw, your cubs are looking to be in a decent spot.
kaya, thanks for the thoughtful comments. in retrospect, i guess i may have overracted in my post. jeff weaver had just cost me $600 and i was kinda pissed. with the iq remark, i was responding to a guy calling me "dumb" for the second time simply because i don't hold the same opinion. i'm a lot of things but, an idiot is not one of them.
by the way, the fact that there is no proven link between 9/11 and iraq does not mean that hussein was not a threat to the u.s. he was clearly sympathetic to al queda and the fact that he was not directly involved with the 9/11 attacks does not mean he did not collaberate with al queda and other terrorist groups.
there are many things about this was and all military and political issues that we know nothing about. the media knows nothing about. i hold a different opinion on politics and other things than most of you in this forum. if guys like me didn't post, what fun would this forum be? someone would post "bush is a moron, loser, ego-manaic". then everyone else would reply "yeah, he is kinda dumb".
fact is, hussein is out of power now and we really have no idea whether iraq was a huge threat to america and american interests or whether the threat was minimal. i for one am thankful we never got to find out.
have a nice day.
kaya, thanks for the thoughtful comments. in retrospect, i guess i may have overracted in my post. jeff weaver had just cost me $600 and i was kinda pissed. with the iq remark, i was responding to a guy calling me "dumb" for the second time simply because i don't hold the same opinion. i'm a lot of things but, an idiot is not one of them.
by the way, the fact that there is no proven link between 9/11 and iraq does not mean that hussein was not a threat to the u.s. he was clearly sympathetic to al queda and the fact that he was not directly involved with the 9/11 attacks does not mean he did not collaberate with al queda and other terrorist groups.
there are many things about this was and all military and political issues that we know nothing about. the media knows nothing about. i hold a different opinion on politics and other things than most of you in this forum. if guys like me didn't post, what fun would this forum be? someone would post "bush is a moron, loser, ego-manaic". then everyone else would reply "yeah, he is kinda dumb".
fact is, hussein is out of power now and we really have no idea whether iraq was a huge threat to america and american interests or whether the threat was minimal. i for one am thankful we never got to find out.
have a nice day.
hey blue
iraq and saddam had no connection w/ 9-11 and al queda
saddam and bin laden didnot like each other
so what are your views about those countries that does have wmds and are a threat like iran and north korea
we invaded iraq w/ no wmds and we dont do shit w/ n.korea and iran and they have wmds?
a 6 year old can figure this out as stupid and not making sense what so ever
iraq and saddam had no connection w/ 9-11 and al queda
saddam and bin laden didnot like each other
so what are your views about those countries that does have wmds and are a threat like iran and north korea
we invaded iraq w/ no wmds and we dont do shit w/ n.korea and iran and they have wmds?
a 6 year old can figure this out as stupid and not making sense what so ever
what about the u.s., they got the most weapons of mass destruction than the rest of the world combined? Why should i feel more safe and secure with a brickhead calling the shots in the u.s. army than say another similar brickhead in n. korea. Besides they are and have been and will be in the near future the no. 1 seller of wmds worldwide.
poor sod dubya even admitted himself, "I believe in time we ll find out that they did have weapons of mass destruction", leaving no doubt that the whole wmd thing and irak was just another pretext.
It's high time some of you people made the distinction between aeons old pretexts to go to war and reality, namely monetary expansionist interests of the few and imperialistic (a term that stems from the world empire) greed. But, it seems the majority is still very much propagandised, ignorant, maleable or downright stupid.
poor sod dubya even admitted himself, "I believe in time we ll find out that they did have weapons of mass destruction", leaving no doubt that the whole wmd thing and irak was just another pretext.
It's high time some of you people made the distinction between aeons old pretexts to go to war and reality, namely monetary expansionist interests of the few and imperialistic (a term that stems from the world empire) greed. But, it seems the majority is still very much propagandised, ignorant, maleable or downright stupid.
wil, just cause they haven't found them don't mean they ain't there.
bobby d, i too find the north korean and iran situations troubling. i don't really understand why we are not doing more...especially in north korea who, in my opinion, poses the biggest threat. i would be in favor of kicking the shit out of that military and freeing those poor citizens as well. would you? if you say you would i think you would be in the liberal minority. i personally think that many liberals that are asking the question - "why not attack north korea" would go ape-shit if we did.
jack dee, if the u.s didn't have the wmd that it does, i'd be speaking russian right now (my parents probably would have learned german as a child, then been forced to learn russian around 1963).
bobby d, i too find the north korean and iran situations troubling. i don't really understand why we are not doing more...especially in north korea who, in my opinion, poses the biggest threat. i would be in favor of kicking the shit out of that military and freeing those poor citizens as well. would you? if you say you would i think you would be in the liberal minority. i personally think that many liberals that are asking the question - "why not attack north korea" would go ape-shit if we did.
jack dee, if the u.s didn't have the wmd that it does, i'd be speaking russian right now (my parents probably would have learned german as a child, then been forced to learn russian around 1963).
