Despite a 4% loss in GDP in the 4th Q and oil dropping 70%....

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Exxon Mobil sets record with $45.2 billion profit including a 7.8 billion profit in said 4th quarter


I understand we can invest in them and all the jazz, dont get me wrong. But SOMETHING cant be right if they are still RAKING right now. Or could it be maybe that gas is $1.80+ when it probably should be about $1.25?

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the cons will come and explain supply and demand which is true for 80% of this the other 20% is gouge and fuck
 

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Exxon Mobil sets record with $45.2 billion profit including a 7.8 billion profit in said 4th quarter


I understand we can invest in them and all the jazz, dont get me wrong. But SOMETHING cant be right if they are still RAKING right now. Or could it be maybe that gas is $1.80+ when it probably should be about $1.25?

:ohno:

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Finishing out a roller-coaster year of record oil prices followed by a rapid plunge in the face of the financial crises, Exxon Mobil earned $7.82 billion, or $1.55 a share in the three months ended Dec. 31, down by a third from $11.66 billion, or $2.13 a share, in the year-ago period.

profits down 33% yoy in q4
 

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And those profits come after the multi million dollar salarys and million dollar bonus. Now lets see how long it takes for Exxon to lay off 20,000 peeps.
 
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They said on the news tonight about the National #s they were expecting a catagory 5 & only got a catagory 3 so I thought that was some encouraging news for a change.
 

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Or could it be maybe that gas is $1.80+ when it probably should be about $1.25?

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lol

I made a bit of munney out of the leveraged gas etf when they applied the brakes in Dec and forced prices back up.

The big majors have got the American gas market by the nuts.
 

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lol

I made a bit of munney out of the leveraged gas etf when they applied the brakes in Dec and forced prices back up.

The big majors have got the American gas market by the nuts.

indeed :toast:
 

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LOL

i think banks, car companies getting bailouts, etc...have americans much more by the "nuts" than oil

oil companies won't be needing any government money and get taxed and regulated more than any other industry and aren't infested with unions and all the other nonsense

over the years they done a great job of keeping up with the demand growth to keep gas prices low in the face of continued inflation in food and other shit

you don't see food prices in the grocery store falling now that commodities have fallen and gas and transportation costs have fallen do you?

but gas prices sure have....

so we had a near term spike and the last portion of it from like 80-147 had nothing to do with supply/demand or the oil companies in ability to keep up had to do with leverage and overspeculation on the part of banks and hedge funds

all this big oil hatred is comedy
 

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Yhea your right Tiz. The price now of 40 dollar barrel is worth almost two dollars per gallon right? I agree, alot of he oil hatred is naive, but for you to not acknowledge this shit is comedy gold. I mean, eek made money off it...

They are all feeding at the trough. All of them. Banks , bailouts, financial's, mortgage company's ,car companies, oil companies etc etc.
 

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your free to start digging holes to extract the stuff than refine it to fuel your vechile

let me know how cheap u can make it for

granted the easier alternative would be get some used cooking oil from restaurants and make your own biodiesel....but i'm guessing you can't make it for under 2 bucks a gallon....especially when you factor in labor time and such

gallon of milk has gone skyward over the years

while gas as well as oil has done a much better job of staying flat

those fucking goddamn milk producers suck!!!!!!!!
 

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also oil isn't just about gas either

oil goes into those bottles of shampoo you conviently pick up from the store

or the plastic bags you put your goods in to make your life easier carrying them home and what not

oil has so many other applications that make our lives more convient than just being able to go to a gas station and pump it to fuel our cars or turn on a switch to heat our homes or cook our food

or providing energy and fuel to pretty much every corporation that makes other goods and services you consume

the lifeblood of the entire global economy is oil....without it

it would go caput

just be glad oil companies are making a profit and they didn't overleverage themselves, take on too much debt, or overexpand production during the boom times like so many other sectors of the economy did...if they couldn't make a profit there would be much less oil and gas available and life would suck big time

also big oil employs many americans and stimulates many local economies to boot....
 

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oil companies actually produce a worthwhile product that is a necessity to the health of the global economy

banks and the fed on the other hand produce fiat dollars and overleveraged debt and play financial funny games to produce these boom/bust cycles and when shit hits the fan we have to throw billions of taxpayer dollars in their direction

oil companies on the other hand will continue to produce a worthwhile product, won't get a dime of taxpayer dollars as they too are in the "too big to fail category" but they aren't gonna fail......and will continue to pay huge tax rates on those darn profits of theirs

focus your attention on the real problem

don't play the liberal games of focusing your attention on the wrong things and blaming the wrong sectors of the economy for our gloom and doom
 
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ignore the part about unions didn't realize the refiners were union labor too....

the prices of gas have held up more in the oversaturated/oversupplied market partially because of this....

the refiners themselves honestly probably are rooting on a strike.....right now inventories are bubbling and they got nowhere to store the stuff....as demand falling off a cliff......

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HOUSTON (AP) -- With a third contract offer rejected, some 24,000 refinery workers from the Gulf of Mexico to Montana prepared to head to the picket lines Saturday just hours before an existing labor agreement expires.

The nation's biggest refiner, Valero Energy Corp., said it would shut down some facilities if workers strike. So did European oil company BP PLC.

Shell Oil Co., the lead negotiator for the industry, along with Exxon Mobil Corp., said its refineries would continue to make gasoline, diesel and other fuels using nonunion or replacement workers.

Chemical refiners would also be affected. LyondellBassell Industries said it was bringing in managers from locations not involved in contract negotiations to keep refineries going.

A strike would affect 60 producers, according to Lynne Baker, a spokeswoman for the United Steelworkers, which represents more than 30,000 oil workers nationwide.

Bobby Hollis, chairman of the negotiating committee for the Steelworkers at Valero, said it was doubtful that there would be an agreement by the midnight deadline.

Thursday, union negotiators turned down the most recent offer of a 2.5 percent wage increase for each of the next three years, in addition to changes in medical coverage.

The impasse comes with refiners already cutting back production and industry experts are divided over whether a strike would hit the pocketbooks of motorists.

Job numbers are in free fall, which has led to unprecedented declines in miles driven by Americans.

Motorists cut their driving by 12.9 billion miles in November, down 5.3 percent from the same month a year earlier, the largest such decline of any November since monthly data estimates began in 1971, the Federal Highway Administration said this month.

On the surface, that suggests retail gasoline prices should be falling, but refiners are reading the same headlines and have aggressively cut back production.

Refiner cutbacks and the threat of a strike pushed gasoline futures up throughout the week on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Friday, gasoline futures rose nearly 4 cents to $1.27 per gallon. When gasoline futures rise, retail prices tend to follow. The national average for a gallon of gasoline hit $1.846 on Friday. While that's still $1.14 less than last year at this time, gas is getting closer to $2 a gallon just a month after bottoming out at $1.61.

With refiners turning away oil shipments, crude storage levels have risen by about 20 million barrels in the past month, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

Antoine Halff, an analyst with Newedge Group, said workers may actually be doing the industry a favor by going on strike with demand for gasoline so low.

Many of the refineries are on the Gulf Coast, near Houston and New Orleans. There are about 4,000 refinery workers in Houston alone. But the strike would reach into California, Montana, and Tennessee, which also have refineries with labor contracts expiring.

Valero told employees Friday that it would close its facilities in Delaware City, Del., and Memphis, Tenn., if there is a strike.

The company said it would keep its Port Arthur, Texas, plant open with a contingency work force that is being trained.

"We would rather reach an agreement without a work stoppage at all," said spokesman Bill Day.

Exxon Mobil said negotiations were ongoing, but that plants would remain operational until a collective bargaining agreement was reached.

AP Energy Writer Ernest Scheyder in New York contributed to this report.
 
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Exxon Mobil sets record with $45.2 billion profit including a 7.8 billion profit in said 4th quarter


I understand we can invest in them and all the jazz, dont get me wrong. But SOMETHING cant be right if they are still RAKING right now. Or could it be maybe that gas is $1.80+ when it probably should be about $1.25?

:ohno:

This is why I have XOM as one of my "retirement stocks". I hope to retire in 10 to 15 years. Based upon the decades of success of XOM stock I feel I should be pretty well off. In addition to the stock performance they pay decent dividends and occasionally split. After the split the stock recovers to a decent level so you are then holding twice as many shares for just a little lower price. Eventually the price meets and exceeds the price when the stock splits.
 

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yeah i agree with you there QL

although i'd give it another year or so before i'd hop on board for the long haul

think you'll see it back down in the 60s eventually looks like stock may be ready for another swoop down just like the markets at large.....

think big oil has alot of excesses of supply to work off near term but the union strike will help um....

talk about a beastly long term chart

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
 

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that's yet another thing the oil haters don't factor in

XOM distributes wealth to american's via their public stock....

as their profits continue to expand and they continue to increase dividend payments over the years

banks on the other hand overleverage themselves and than need to get "bailed" out by government

and massively take from the cookie jar with insane bonuses and all the other nonsense while the going is good....

but the shareholders in the end are left with nothing as shown by their crumbling stock prices
 
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Was one of the only punts I got right, nearly everything else was a wrong 'un but those refiners came up trumps.
 

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not sure what that proves

also part of the reason gas struggles to come down once it gets under 2 bucks

is because the federal and state taxes are a flat tax...so the percent of tax that goes into gas prices as the prices goes down goes up to pay the tax man

and i know in many states they are thinking of raising the taxes to make up for their liberally run local governments

if gas ever does get down to say a buck a gallon 18.4 cents of that alone is federal taxes....along with whatever your state and local government gets from it

here's one example from tiz's neck of the woods

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A key Iowa legislator says the Legislature could increase the state's gasoline tax by up to 10 cents a gallon.

Oskaloosa Democratic Sen. Tom Rielly predicted Friday that lawmakers could approve an 8 to 10 cent increase in the tax, now at 20.7 cents a gallon. Rielly is chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee.

If Democrats back a measure, Sen. Dave Tkepkes (JEP'-keys) of Gowrie says Republicans would work with them. Tkepkes is the top Republican on the House Transportation Committee.

A dime increase would raise about $220 million annually for transportation projects.

The legislators were speaking on the public television show, "Iowa Press."

Gov. Chet Culver has said he's uneasy with an increase but hasn't threatened a veto.
 
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