Pathetic #1?
Don't pout because I disagree with you.
Whats pathetic is that you can't come up with ONE example.
You come with some generic bullshit comment, can't give one example to make your point.
The #1 was far from pathetic, he was a solid contender at an overlaid price.
Don't pout because I disagree with you.
Whats pathetic is that you can't come up with ONE example.
You come with some generic bullshit comment, can't give one example to make your point.
The #1 was far from pathetic, he was a solid contender at an overlaid price.
That call should’ve never been made in this race when you have 19 horse running. The Derby never has had a winner DQ’ed because of that reason alone. Watch any Derby with a field of 18-20 horses and you will see bumping and cutting off occurring. What hasn’t been brought up here is that earlier in the race County House bumped another horse; I’m sorry as I’d have to go back and replay the race for the number. Why wasn’t that looked at and ultimately a move made to DQ him? Anyone that replays the race will see the bump CH made. Again, these less than obvious bumps, cutting off, etc need to be overlooked in a field that big. You could have an objection in almost every Derby run because 18-20 horses all vying for positioning are going to do just that. CH didn’t even gain ground on MS in the stretch to maybe justify his win and wasn’t even a part of the cutting off. The best horse did not win this Derby and that’s terrible for the sports biggest race and in need of fans.
You are absolutely 100% correct. Horses are bumped and cut off the whole race. Impossible for it to be a clean race that large. What gets me is the one who was cut off was the #1 and his jockey NEVER said a word no objection from him. The drift out didn't effect the outcome UNLESS the #1 would've won but the jockey on the #1 should've claimed foul and the Stewards didn't want to put up the inquiry and never did so it made the stewards look like they missed it or ignored it. Don't know how they missed it, was clear as day with the far urn camera angle from behind during a live run of the race. I even seen it why weren't the stewards seeing the same thing? CAUSE they didn't want to make a change.
War of Will was no doubt the most impacted by the move outside. I think it was a foul but I've seen fouls like that and objections like that before, even in the derby and they never resulted in a DQ. I'm with whoever said, "call it for all of them or don't call it at all". It was a foul, no question but there's no consistency. I've seen worse in other races.
I wrote my thoughts in my thread.........
my understanding was there needs to be a few factors included into the process of the stewards decision.
One Major factor I always thought was, did the action of the Jockey or Horse change the results of the race.
Does anyone think the #20 horse would have Won that race ? I truly don't think he would have. ( just my opinion )
I'll add that my reason above was because there was no inquiry up.
I'm also not sure about the #18 part of the interference either
I've seen far worse,and they were never taken down.In a race like this i think you would have to have an infraction really bad,this was not one of those times.What do they say in reviews,if its not conclusive the call stands,..20 minutes to look over a review means that there is no clear violation,....aka,..Chiefs punt in championship that nicked Edelman then they reviewed it for 20 minutes also and changed the call,...well the call came in here also as they reversed the call,...bogus,..fixed,horse racing and boxing are the easiest sports to fix
Maximum Security====Drifted Out and Bother the # 1 horse which effected the #18 and #21 horses ; in the stewards opinion costing one or more a placing
Therefore was disqualified and placed behind all three of these horses ; WHICH IS NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR ANY /ALL RACETRACKS IN AMERICA....................
very simple decision; certainly not an easy one to make given the money and historical prestige involved tho.. !!
First off I believe the dq was right but I have a few thoughts. First Motts' objection should have been dismissed since his horse was not involved in the infraction. Secondly, although the stewards have the right to review the race, since no other jockey that I'm aware of claim foul why do it . Nobody was beating the 7 I would have let the results stand. All you have to do is go back to the BC when Bafferts' horse wiped out 4 horses at the start and was allowed to stay up. Racing didn't need this to happen especially taking 20 mins to do it.
The rules are different for a race of this calibre and size field. They have never before taken a horse down in the Derby in 147 years. Precedent means everything. Ask any lawyer. That infraction was not near bad enough to overrule precedent. And over 20 minutes to post their ruling? That's crazy for America's biggest horse race. I'd like to read the resumes of those stewards. They were not prepared to do their jobs. They should know going into the race that unless something absolutely crazy happens, the result stands. Nothing absolutely crazy happened. Not even close. What happened happens in smaller fields and lesser races every day. 2 minute decision and it should have been "result stands".
Yes, I had Maximum Security. But I didn't set the ruling precedent. 147 years!!!!
Yes, I had Maximum Security. But I didn't set the ruling precedent. 147 years!!!!
I will agree with everyone arguments about worse has happened in other races ......... and there needs to be more consistency
take for example the Turf stakes race immediately before the Derby yesterday ..............Bricks and Mortar #12 (Much the best also!!!similar to Maximum Security)
Go back and watch..... wipes out 3 horses (#11,#10,#9) to his direct right coming out of the gate ...... and then in the stretch run cuts in front of the #7 horse forcing him to check and lose ground ...........
two fouls in one race and NOTHING !!!!!!
Point: this Happens alot in racing...... !
BAS your capping was spot on. If there was no interference It probably finishes 7-1-20 but who knows with all that banging . The 1 was coming like a rocket around that last turn but Im not sure if he passes the 7. The only thing that surprised me was that they never lit the inquiry sign. I love the humps that watch 3 races a year chiming in with their expertise. The DQ was correct time to move on.
- The #1 didn't lodge an objection because he finished 8th. If he had hit the board he absolutely lodges one.
- That wasn't just another foul. It occurred on the turn entering the stretch, and that foul nearly caused the biggest catastrophe in Derby history if WOW falls.
- There are reasons rules are in place, and its to protect both horse and jockey. What MS did severely compromised both.
-Enough with the first turn nonsense, or bumping out of the gate nonsense. Stop with the turf race foolishness comparing both incidents. Not even remotely close. Incidents occurring at this part of the race have always taken precedence.
Stewards fell asleep on the inquiry sign, 100% should have lit.
If it was another trainer besides Servis, the horse probably stays up. I have no doubt that his rep in this game played a big part. Putting that aside, it was a clear foul and IMO needed to be punished. Thats a DQ in any other race on any other day. He 100% compromised WOW ability to win that race, and should be punished for it.
Let this kind of stuff go, let jockeys know that you can do anything reckless you want in order to win the Kentucky Derby because we will just turn the other cheek, and one day you will have a catastrophic fall that will mar the race forever.
I'd rather have a debatable decison rather than give license to jockeys to forget the rules of racing for one day.
- That wasn't just another foul. It occurred on the turn entering the stretch, and that foul nearly caused the biggest catastrophe in Derby history if WOW falls.
- There are reasons rules are in place, and its to protect both horse and jockey. What MS did severely compromised both.
-Enough with the first turn nonsense, or bumping out of the gate nonsense. Stop with the turf race foolishness comparing both incidents. Not even remotely close. Incidents occurring at this part of the race have always taken precedence.
Stewards fell asleep on the inquiry sign, 100% should have lit.
If it was another trainer besides Servis, the horse probably stays up. I have no doubt that his rep in this game played a big part. Putting that aside, it was a clear foul and IMO needed to be punished. Thats a DQ in any other race on any other day. He 100% compromised WOW ability to win that race, and should be punished for it.
Let this kind of stuff go, let jockeys know that you can do anything reckless you want in order to win the Kentucky Derby because we will just turn the other cheek, and one day you will have a catastrophic fall that will mar the race forever.
I'd rather have a debatable decison rather than give license to jockeys to forget the rules of racing for one day.
