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Every dem complains about how all of our corporations are going overseas and leaving america and taking jobs and there money with them. Obama's brillant idea to counteract that is to RAISE THE CORPORATE TAX. If your a corporation and your in america, which already has the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world, and Obama raises your corporate tax how would that make you want to stay in america

What his dumb ass and other dems don't understand is a simple corporate policy that is 100% true...

CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES EVER ON ANYTHING OR ANY LEVEL

What they do is once their taxes get raised they do 3 things:

1. lay off employees to compensate for the higher taxes
2. Increase the cost of there products they sell to compensate for higher taxes
3. get the hell out of the US to pay less taxes

Whether you like it or not this is 100% factual information on what corporations do and all 3 of those things lead to a weaker economy and the corporations don't lose a penny!!

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i clicked it........but you are assuming to much.....obama isnt going to into ghettos throwing out hundies..........the people that voted for him( the same ones that went with bill)....think they won..............no poor folks ever win........its about the other issues
 

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Send this to 10 people and something good will happen to you!
 

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haha... my dad who is formerly a successful executive of a 40+ billion dollar company dismissed this to me when i use to tout the same ignorant bs and i have seen the error of my ways.

this is stupid, pretty simple. second dumb post i have seen from you today... branch out and read something other than the biased BS that you allow to be spoon fed.
 

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Dude, we've had months to argue about this shit...today is about the RESULTS.
 

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Uno,

Please explain to me how this post is stupid or where to get information where this is untrue. I run a service oriented business so it is different and we are medium sized company. This would make logical business sense to me. If you can move your operations to another country with a cheaper tax rate why wouldnt you. Secondly as the companies cost rise and there is not as much capital to spend on growth they stop hiring and typically raise their prices. Please explain how this thought process is off.
 

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the point is it is 100% guaranteed that if you raise their taxes they WILL CUT JOBS AND/OR RAISE THE COST OF THEIR GOODS.

think about it logically people. (keep in mind all people in business care about 1 thing and that is money.

you are a CEO of a corporation in charge of keeping all your shareholders happy. the govt raises your taxes so you now are faced with a couple of options

1. lower the price on your dividends you pay to shareholders, take money out of your pocket to pay for these taxes

or

2. Raise the cost of your products...fire some employees. by doing this you keep your shareholders happy and you keep the money your making



Which do you think this greedy SOB's will choose to do?

We may not like it but that is how life is...life is not fair
 

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here is the link and a story to prove exactly what i am talking about

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505E0DB1430F933A25754C0A9649C8B63

Tax Increase Leads to Plan For Layoffs By Federated

By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI
Published: July 10, 2002
Stung by the business-tax increase that New Jersey adopted last week, the corporate parent of Macy's and Bloomingdale's department stores announced today that it planned to scale back its operations in the state and lay off at least 50 workers.

The parent company, Federated Department Stores, which employs 10,000 people in New Jersey, said it would also cancel some expansion plans and consider closing some of its 37 New Jersey stores because the state's new business tax code would raise its state taxes to $10 million from $4.4 million.

In a letter to Gov. James E. McGreevey, who signed the code into law last week, company officials said the actions were spurred by the tax increase, which had transformed New Jersey from ''one of the most desirable states in which we do business to one of the least.''

''This will necessarily result in some very painful decisions that will impact people living and working in your state,'' said the letter, signed by James M. Zimmerman, Federated's chief executive.

Some business leaders said they feared that today's announcement would be the first in a wave of corporate cutbacks caused by the tax. But the McGreevey administration, which helped close its projected budget gap by enacting a $1 billion increase in corporate taxes, responded almost aggressively to the news.

Some administration officials said Federated executives were upset because the state had denied the company's request to transfer some of their New Jersey profits to a bankrupt subsidiary, precisely the kind of loophole that the new tax code was intended to close.

State Treasurer John E. McCormac wrote a letter to the company saying that he could review Federated's tax status only if the company released a wide array of financial data, including its tax returns and the salaries and bonuses for top company executives.

''The corporate business tax changes that were implemented were fair and equitable and were fiscally responsible,'' Mr. McCormac wrote.

Federated officials scoffed at the notion that their move was related to the failed lobbying effort, and said that the requests for internal corporate documents were irrelevant.

''They can try to camouflage it any way they want,'' said Carol Sanger, a vice president for operations at Federated. ''Politicians are good at that. The bottom line is they doubled the taxes.''

The testy exchange between the company and the McGreevey administration came after business leaders had campaigned for months against the new tax plan.

The governor said the changes were necessary because an array of tax loopholes had brought a steep drop in business-tax collections in the state and allowed 30 of the top 50 employers in the company to pay the minimum corporate tax of $200.

Business advocates said Mr. McGreevey's remedy went beyond merely closing loopholes, and would lead to such painful increases in tax bills that it would cost jobs.

During negotiations with business leaders and Republican legislators this spring, the McGreevey administration made some adjustments to the new tax code. But the governor and his staff insisted that the loopholes allowed corporations to evade paying taxes and unfairly shifted the burden to middle-class families.

The administration also maintained that state taxes were such a small part of most corporations' total costs that they were only a minor factor in decisions about whether to relocate.

James C. Morford, president of the New Jersey Food Council, said his organization had lobbied against the bill because it feared that higher taxes would slow an already sluggish economy.

''In all candor, we did warn the so-called experts that these kinds of decisions might be made,'' Mr. Morford said. ''This is not an indication that a business is going to up and leave New Jersey. We knew that all along. But we feared that there would be investment decisions and resource deployment decisions based on what happened and it would hurt our state.''

The letter from Federated urged the state to repeal the law, saying that the tax increase was so large that the company would be forced to shift operations to states with less onerous taxes. In addition to the 50 layoffs in a New Jersey distribution system, Federated said it expected an unspecified number of store closings in the coming months.
 

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To OP:

One store "proves" your theory? You would flunk every science and business course (MBA) I ever took.
 

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Do you know if the company did start closing stores and all the stuff they said they were going to do being it was in 2002.
 

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Do you know if the company did start closing stores and all the stuff they said they were going to do being it was in 2002.

A store they closed shortly after that was slated to close ANY WAY. It had lagged in sales growth for 8 years!!!
 

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Every dem complains about how all of our corporations are going overseas and leaving america and taking jobs and there money with them. Obama's brillant idea to counteract that is to RAISE THE CORPORATE TAX. If your a corporation and your in america, which already has the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world, and Obama raises your corporate tax how would that make you want to stay in america

What his dumb ass and other dems don't understand is a simple corporate policy that is 100% true...

CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES EVER ON ANYTHING OR ANY LEVEL

What they do is once their taxes get raised they do 3 things:

1. lay off employees to compensate for the higher taxes
2. Increase the cost of there products they sell to compensate for higher taxes
3. get the hell out of the US to pay less taxes

Whether you like it or not this is 100% factual information on what corporations do and all 3 of those things lead to a weaker economy and the corporations don't lose a penny!!

Thank you for taking the time to read this post and god bless<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->


I only have two questions to ask you.

If eve one iota of this crap is true where are all the millions of jobs these corporations created when bush gave them tax cuts? Where are all the millions of jobs they brought back from overseas when Bush gave them tax cuts?


Name even one major corporation with more than 2000 employees (and thats a very small thresh hold) that moved over seas because of high taxation.. I just want one corporation buddy. Just one!:103631605
 

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To OP:

One store "proves" your theory? You would flunk every science and business course (MBA) I ever took.


sorry bud this is 100% factual information and is standard operating procedure for all companies

the point is it is 100% guaranteed that if you raise their taxes they WILL CUT JOBS AND/OR RAISE THE COST OF THEIR GOODS.

think about it logically people. (keep in mind all people in business care about 1 thing and that is money)

you are a CEO of a corporation in charge of keeping all your shareholders happy. the govt raises your taxes so you now are faced with a couple of options

1. lower the price on your dividends you pay to shareholders, take money out of your pocket to pay for these taxes
or
2. Raise the cost of your products...fire some employees. by doing this you keep your shareholders happy and you keep the money your making

Which do you think this greedy SOB's will choose to do? everyone says the corporations are greedy...hell i agree but that is the way it is
We may not like it but that is how life is...life is not fair
 

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I only have two questions to ask you.

If eve one iota of this crap is true where are all the millions of jobs these corporations created when bush gave them tax cuts? Where are all the millions of jobs they brought back from overseas when Bush gave them tax cuts?


Name even one major corporation with more than 2000 employees (and thats a very small thresh hold) that moved over seas because of high taxation.. I just want one corporation buddy. Just one!:103631605


Here you go bud!!

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/Script/DisplayPressRelease.php3?Display=7

one more for you...how about Hewlett-Packard?? that is a pretty big company right??

http://news.cnet.com/U.S.-firms-move-IT-overseas/2100-1001_3-976828.html


Under pressure from overseas rivals, U.S. companies selling information technology services have a new mantra: If you can't beat them, join them

IT services companies are jostling to promise customers cheaper, flexible services using technology professionals in low-wage countries such as India, China and Mexico. Hewlett-Packard is the latest U.S.-based company to announce its overseas intentions.

At a meeting with financial analysts last week, Ann Livermore, HP's services chief, said the company plans to relocate a major portion of its IT services work to India.

"We think customers are going to put a lot of pricing pressure on the consulting and integration market," Livermore said. "We are going to aggressively move everything we can offshore
http://news.cnet.com/U.S.-firms-move-IT-overseas/2100-1001_3-976828.html
 

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sorry bud this is 100% factual information and is standard operating procedure for all companies

I say it is not. My degrees say it is not. My 30 years in business say it is not.

Done.

Obama-Biden '08, before it's too damn late.
 

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Uno,

Please explain to me how this post is stupid or where to get information where this is untrue. I run a service oriented business so it is different and we are medium sized company. This would make logical business sense to me. If you can move your operations to another country with a cheaper tax rate why wouldnt you. Secondly as the companies cost rise and there is not as much capital to spend on growth they stop hiring and typically raise their prices. Please explain how this thought process is off.


notice how Uno and they other dems got real quiet when asked to explain themselves and being shown article after article proving my statements to be facts...typicall dems

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I say it is not. My degrees say it is not. My 30 years in business say it is not.

Done.

Obama-Biden '08, before it's too damn late.

you must not own a business or be in charge of the day to day operations of a business

1. do you pay a corporate tax
2. do you have shareholders you pay divendends to you have to keep happy

even in little business the economics are still the same.

i use to work for a sub shop. the price of produce sky rocketed one year so what did the store owner do??? he raised his prices on subs to compensate for that. when your overhead is increased you must either increase prices or lay off workers...i can tell you have never been in charge of a business so don't even act like you have been because if you were you would understand EXACTLY what i am talking about
 

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So your saying the tax increase will not cause the corporations to change anything. I would have to question your thought process on that and where your statistics are coming from.
 

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