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Olsen has struggled in his two previous starts against the Diamondbacks, earning an 11.70 ERA in those outings.

haren at -130?

is this trap? or is line this low because its a sunday and all the public knows is that dbax on horrific slide and not hitting?

they got 6 runs last night, including clutch situational hitting, and some clutch relief pitching

uggla also got hurt


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The sooner you get the word “trap” out of your handicapping arsenal, the better off you will be.
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In my opinion, this game appears to be fairly valued (I valued the game as DBack -122/Marlins +122). The game that was mispriced was yesterday’s game, where Webb opened at -135 and the line dropped 7 cents off the open. On a fundamental basis, it is clear they were worth more yesterday. On a relative basis, you can quickly conclude the same (Webb is more valuable than Haren, Olsen is more valuable than Miller). You have to like how Haren has been pitching, but his recent form appears to be recognized by the market place. One can make a case for a bit of smoke and mirrors in regards to recent form, as his groundball ratio has increased (not a good sign for a split pitcher prone to the long ball), and the disparity between BABIP and Well hit ratio has significantly increased (a sign of good luck rather than good pitching).
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We may have seen the best of Scott Olsen this year, but he is a dangerous underdog, as his performances or more dependent (and mental game) on his form than the fundamental matchup. Olsen is streaky, and has the ability to dominate any lineup. He is in an upward trend, with his monthly K/PA at a year high and B/PA at a year low to go along with the solid basic pitching stats this month. His past performances against the Dbacks are irrelevant, as they were generated when he was a different pitcher. The fundamental match up works in his favor. He is a pitcher who is dependent on getting hitters to chase out of the zone, while the DBacks are a free swinging lineup.
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With all that said, the Marlins are a team who has not possessed value for some time. They have been playing well over their heads, and the market has not fully discounted that notion. I see no value on either side, but if you choose the Dbacks, good luck today.
 

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The sooner you get the word “trap” out of your handicapping arsenal, the better off you will be.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
In my opinion, this game appears to be fairly valued (I valued the game as DBack -122/Marlins +122). The game that was mispriced was yesterday’s game, where Webb opened at -135 and the line dropped 7 cents off the open. On a fundamental basis, it is clear they were worth more yesterday. On a relative basis, you can quickly conclude the same (Webb is more valuable than Haren, Olsen is more valuable than Miller). You have to like how Haren has been pitching, but his recent form appears to be recognized by the market place. One can make a case for a bit of smoke and mirrors in regards to recent form, as his groundball ratio has increased (not a good sign for a split pitcher prone to the long ball), and the disparity between BABIP and Well hit ratio has significantly increased (a sign of good luck rather than good pitching).
<o:p></o:p>
We may have seen the best of Scott Olsen this year, but he is a dangerous underdog, as his performances or more dependent (and mental game) on his form than the fundamental matchup. Olsen is streaky, and has the ability to dominate any lineup. He is in an upward trend, with his monthly K/PA at a year high and B/PA at a year low to go along with the solid basic pitching stats this month. His past performances against the Dbacks are irrelevant, as they were generated when he was a different pitcher. The fundamental match up works in his favor. He is a pitcher who is dependent on getting hitters to chase out of the zone, while the DBacks are a free swinging lineup.
<o:p></o:p>
With all that said, the Marlins are a team who has not possessed value for some time. They have been playing well over their heads, and the market has not fully discounted that notion. I see no value on either side, but if you choose the Dbacks, good luck today.



i appreciate the analysis.....but i cant help but think this line is influenced by the terrible slide the dbax have suffered of late.....i have had olsen for the last2 years of fantasy, and he is a great strikeout artist, i simply feel with the righty bats the dbax load up with vs lefties they have an advantage here.

i watched the game yesterday and my predicition of an uggla-less lineup has been confirmed, I really like what is aw froma dbax team that came out of a slump yesterday...and lets not forget, this once torrid florida offense is now struggling to s core, and was scuffling just as bad as the dbax were losing 7 of their last 10.

Dbax at full s trnegth, and as u said, haren can give up the long ball, i like the chances better without uggla in lineup...just got to dodge those first inning bombs from hanley.

totals have also been set low for this series considering the marlins were an over machine earlier, i give advantage to zonas pen as well, especially if this game gets decided as 1 run game.
 

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The sooner you get the word “trap” out of your handicapping arsenal, the better off you will be.
<o:p> </o:p>
In my opinion, this game appears to be fairly valued (I valued the game as DBack -122/Marlins +122). The game that was mispriced was yesterday’s game, where Webb opened at -135 and the line dropped 7 cents off the open. On a fundamental basis, it is clear they were worth more yesterday. On a relative basis, you can quickly conclude the same (Webb is more valuable than Haren, Olsen is more valuable than Miller). You have to like how Haren has been pitching, but his recent form appears to be recognized by the market place. One can make a case for a bit of smoke and mirrors in regards to recent form, as his groundball ratio has increased (not a good sign for a split pitcher prone to the long ball), and the disparity between BABIP and Well hit ratio has significantly increased (a sign of good luck rather than good pitching).
<o:p> </o:p>
We may have seen the best of Scott Olsen this year, but he is a dangerous underdog, as his performances or more dependent (and mental game) on his form than the fundamental matchup. Olsen is streaky, and has the ability to dominate any lineup. He is in an upward trend, with his monthly K/PA at a year high and B/PA at a year low to go along with the solid basic pitching stats this month. His past performances against the Dbacks are irrelevant, as they were generated when he was a different pitcher. The fundamental match up works in his favor. He is a pitcher who is dependent on getting hitters to chase out of the zone, while the DBacks are a free swinging lineup.
<o:p> </o:p>
With all that said, the Marlins are a team who has not possessed value for some time. They have been playing well over their heads, and the market has not fully discounted that notion. I see no value on either side, but if you choose the Dbacks, good luck today.

alright!!! zeke and buffetgambler in the same thread.two of the best cappers on here.I hope you stick around bg,having you and zeke would make the dialogue and posting during 2nd half of baseball alot more knowledgeable.good seeing you posting bg

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wow..is public ever right?...lol
 

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I really like AZ & Haren today goinig against left-hander Olsen.....not to mention that Marlin bully....Get it Zeke!!!!!!!!!
 

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Haren helping his own cause with the first hit for AZ, then a 2-run bomb. Haren has to be stoked...
 

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