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What is success? If you are a failure but everyone says otherwise, are you successful by proxy? This is a question which the administrators of the Drug Abuse Resistance Program, or 'D.A.R.E.' should be asking themselves.

I remember my D.A.R.E. classes. The officer had a display of pictures of a rotted mouth and gums ostensibly caused by cigarette smoking, and the weak theory was that if cigarettes could do that, just imagine what weed could do. (Never one to be satisfied with conjecture I nonetheless ran right out and decided to find out on my own just what weed could, in fact, do.) He also had a badass pimp-style walking stick, which concealed a pipe in one end and a blade in another. Batman should be so well-outfitted.

In all fairness, I took the D.A.R.E. "course" in it's very first year of life, in 1983. Perhaps it has gotten better. Not so, according to reports from the GAO cited by Paul Aremantano in a recent publication form the NORML Foundation.

According to the GAO report on D.A.R.E.'s 20th anniversary review:

-->A 1991 University of Kentucky study of 2,071 sixth graders that found no difference in the past-year use of cigarettes, alcohol or marijuana among DARE graduates and non-graduates two years after completing the program.

-->A 1996 University of Colorado study of over 940 elementary school students that found no difference with regard to illicit drug use, delay of experimentation with illicit drugs, self-esteem, or resistance to peer pressure among D.A.R.E. graduates and non-graduates three years after completing the program.

-->A 1998 University of Illinois study of 1,798 elementary school students that found no differences with regards to the recent use of illicit drugs among D.A.R.E. graduates and non-graduates six years after completing the program.

-->A 1999 follow-up study by the University of Kentucky that found no difference in lifetime, past-year, or past-month use of marijuana among D.A.R.E. graduates and non-graduates 10 years after completing the program.

Even D.A.R.E.'s own leadership admits that it's results are abysmal and that it needs 'revamping.' Unfortunately, like Social Security, Amtrak, and the Department of Homeland Defence (woops, slipped into a time warp and saw the future for a moment) the group is absolutely positive that the solution is that if it just had more funding and broader-based power it would really be able to churn out some impressive results over, say, the next two decades.

Nevermind that the GAO itself cannot seem to find an exact number on what D.A.R.E. costs taxpayers now. The GAO estimates that current funding for the program is between $ 600 million and $ 750 million per year, which is Republican for $ 900 million per year. Add to that the funds spent at the state and municipal level, estimated at $ 200 to $ 225 million per year, and 'incidental' expense such as training, overtime etc. which never figures into the accounting but which may be as much as $ 400 million per year, according to an economic study done at La Moyne College in New York.

So, we have an $ 800 million to $ 1.375 BILLION a year black hole for tax funds to be funneled down which does little in the way of actual work, but which creates an atomic mushroom cloud of good vibrations, giving everyone an excellent and eminently photo-op-able public service bonfire to dance around, using your money as kindling. People love to feel like they're "doing something about it" and the highly-visible D.A.R.E. campaign for has for two decades given parents, teachers, law enforcement and politicians an easy out on the difficult issue of kids and drugs.

I posit that if you have kids, you have a moral and ethical responsibility to offer them guidance on the issue of drug use. Adults shouldn't use drugs. We do anyway. But we're also done growning and are typically using our own money to do so, so barring all my coke money getting funneled to the al-Qaeda or the CIA or some other terrorist organisation, we're only harming ourselves. We are acting from a reasonably-educated vantge point in most cases wheras many children are not. If my own son makes it just four more years drug-fee he'll have my own record beaten and I consider it pretty much a given that he will. But it is an unethical default on your moral responsibility to consider the sturm und drang of such publicity campaigns as D.A.R.E. to be a substitute for parental care and authority.

Like virtually all other governmental programs D.A.R.E. should be scrapped. There's another $ 8.00 or more a year on your tax returns -- hey, you could get a J and a 40oz around here for that kind of money. I'm all for it.


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:lolBIG: at D.A.R.E. I find it ironic how all the stoner kids were the only ones that wore those t-shirts.
 

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"So, we have an $ 800 million to $ 1.375 BILLION a year black hole for tax funds to be funneled down which does little in the way of actual work, but which creates an atomic mushroom cloud of good vibrations, giving everyone an excellent and eminently photo-op-able public service bonfire to dance around, using your money as kindling. People love to feel like they're "doing something about it" and the highly-visible D.A.R.E. campaign for has for two decades given parents, teachers, law enforcement and politicians an easy out on the difficult issue of kids and drugs. "

The belief that leaving anything physical, spiritual or tangible a better place than when you found it has, and will, continue to find support in our world, and we will continue to throw gobs of money to that end.
 

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He'll be either a squillionaire or lying in a ditch riddled with bullets by now.
 

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DARE was a good program. Any honorable effort to keep kids clean is noteworthy. They were in 80 countries around the world and even had the cops in Mexico yield from charging kids to join the mandatory program.

Pick on something less noble please
 

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LASER submits:

DARE was a good program.

SH: Compared to what?

L: Any honorable effort to keep kids clean is noteworthy.

SH: Even if it involves lying and misleading our youth about drugs?

L: Pick on something less noble please

SH: There's not much nobility about a supposed 'drug education' program which utilizes armed police officers in place of health care professionals and which teaches our youth dishonest and misleading information about drugs.

Such scams can be pulled off when you're talking to fifth graders (the customary age for DARE). That's because 11 year olds aren't confident enough to ask the armed police officer in front of the class tough questions.

Questions like, "If drugs are bad, why are many of my friends prescribed Ritalin with many of them receiving their dose at school?"

"If being 'drug-free' is so cool, why do I see many police officers using the drug tobacco or using the drug alcohol during their off hours?"

"Why should my Dad be put in jail for a small amount of marijuana when my friend's Dad across the street can drink the drug alcohol and smoke the drug tobacco without criminal penalty?"

DARE coloring books, DARE stuffed animals and DARE t-shirts are often well received by 11 year olds.

But when those same kids reach 15, 16, 17 and encounter the opportunity to use drugs, how many do you think will turn to a police officer for guidance and counsel?
 

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LASER submits:

DARE was a good program.

SH: Compared to what?

L: Any honorable effort to keep kids clean is noteworthy.

SH: Even if it involves lying and misleading our youth about drugs?

L: Pick on something less noble please

SH: There's not much nobility about a supposed 'drug education' program which utilizes armed police officers in place of health care professionals and which teaches our youth dishonest and misleading information about drugs.

Such scams can be pulled off when you're talking to fifth graders (the customary age for DARE). That's because 11 year olds aren't confident enough to ask the armed police officer in front of the class tough questions.

Questions like, "If drugs are bad, why are many of my friends prescribed Ritalin with many of them receiving their dose at school?"

"If being 'drug-free' is so cool, why do I see many police officers using the drug tobacco or using the drug alcohol during their off hours?"

"Why should my Dad be put in jail for a small amount of marijuana when my friend's Dad across the street can drink the drug alcohol and smoke the drug tobacco without criminal penalty?"

DARE coloring books, DARE stuffed animals and DARE t-shirts are often well received by 11 year olds.

But when those same kids reach 15, 16, 17 and encounter the opportunity to use drugs, how many do you think will turn to a police officer for guidance and counsel?

Really weak...I agree with a lot of your points on this subject.

Your DARE schtick needs some work.

Me no likey DARE either...just watchin these guys park in front of schools with police squad Camaro's makes me ill. It's good work if you can get it.
 

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My "DARE schtick" is about as simple as I can get it and believe me, I've spent the last ten years refining it.

I've got it down to under 250 words in print and about 60 seconds vocally.

I can elaborate and maybe double that, but if the reader/listener doesn't quite get it after the first set, piling on another layer is probably a big waste of all our time.

NOW I WILL honestly appreciate sincere suggestions on how to make a better denouncement of DARE as honest, accurate youth (and adult for that matter) drug education is one of my most passionate social and community interests.

So if you have such suggestions, please share.
 

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My "DARE schtick" is about as simple as I can get it and believe me, I've spent the last ten years refining it.

I've got it down to under 250 words in print and about 60 seconds vocally.

I can elaborate and maybe double that, but if the reader/listener doesn't quite get it after the first set, piling on another layer is probably a big waste of all our time.

NOW I WILL honestly appreciate sincere suggestions on how to make a better denouncement of DARE as honest, accurate youth (and adult for that matter) drug education is one of my most passionate social and community interests.

So if you have such suggestions, please share.

Ok...I know you and I go round and round sometimes...but yes I am serious...without trying to be a smart ass.

I think your emphasis on "armed" police officers is unnecessary.

Even children already know full well that police are armed...using it for emphasis suggests you are over compensating for a bad arguement...which I really don't think you need to do here.

I think you have a great argument...just rubs me the wrong way and sets off my radar. I suspect it may do the same for others.

Just my opinion.
 

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Providing kids misinformation about drugs for the purpose of scaring them is more dangerous than giving them no information. Because once they (like me in my youth) find out that it's all a bunch of BS they will tend to not believe any information about drugs - or much of anything else, for that matter, that comes from authorities.
 

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The mention of armed police officers is to distinguish between another common police outfit, which would be the casual business dress "plain clothes" look which could just easily be employed when serving as an instructor for 11 year olds.

It's also to more strongly distinguish how an 11-12 year old might respond to an armed, uniformed officer compared to how they might respond to a plain clothes health care professional.

We often read of DARE students who "strongly agree" with the DARE Officer and I can't help but feel that at least a portion of that perceived agreement is due to their programming which says, "Don't ever argue or talk back (in challenging fashion) to a police officer. Always cooperate and do what a police officer tells you to do."

That's likely a good pecking order out on the street when cops are interacting with adults and even minors.

But it's a bad framework in which to conduct honest, open discussions about drugs and potential drug use, especially when the drugs discussed can expose a future teenager to arrest and imprisonment at the hands of the former Officer Friendly.
 

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Providing kids misinformation about drugs for the purpose of scaring them is more dangerous than giving them no information. Because once they (like me in my youth) find out that it's all a bunch of BS they will tend to not believe any information about drugs - or much of anything else, for that matter, that comes from authorities.


This is an astute observation and likely the biggest legitimate criticism of the DARE program.

Once a teenager comprehends that the DARE officer and other adult authority figures have lied to him about marijuana, they are far less inclined to believe the very real and honest information about more addictive and potentially abuseable drugs like alcohol, tobacco, methamphetamines and cocaine.
 

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The mention of armed police officers is to distinguish between another common police outfit, which would be the casual business dress "plain clothes" look which could just easily be employed when serving as an instructor for 11 year olds.

It's also to more strongly distinguish how an 11-12 year old might respond to an armed, uniformed officer compared to how they might respond to a plain clothes health care professional.

We often read of DARE students who "strongly agree" with the DARE Officer and I can't help but feel that at least a portion of that perceived agreement is due to their programming which says, "Don't ever argue or talk back (in challenging fashion) to a police officer. Always cooperate and do what a police officer tells you to do."

That's likely a good pecking order out on the street when cops are interacting with adults and even minors.

But it's a bad framework in which to conduct honest, open discussions about drugs and potential drug use, especially when the drugs discussed can expose a future teenager to arrest and imprisonment at the hands of the former Officer Friendly.

Always cooperate and do what a police officer tells you to do."

It happens to be the law...you must always cooperate with a police officer and do what he tells you to do.

I don't really see anything wrong with bringing this into the classroom.

But anyway...I respect your opinion on the matter...maybe I'm over reacting.

I'm not going to bust your balls because I pretty much agree with what you are doing. :103631605
 

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MR MJ notes: It happens to be the law...you must always cooperate with a police officer.....

SH: There is no law specifying that one must always cooperate with a police officer.

In fact, unless you personally initiated the encounter, I'd counsel as little cooperation and interaction with police as possible.

MMJ:....and do what he tells you to do.

SH: That may or may not be neccesary, depending on many variables.
 

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MR MJ notes: It happens to be the law...you must always cooperate with a police officer.....

SH: There is no law specifying that one must always cooperate with a police officer.

In fact, unless you personally initiated the encounter, I'd counsel as little cooperation and interaction with police as possible.

MMJ:....and do what he tells you to do.

SH: That may or may not be neccesary, depending on many variables.

SH: There is no law specifying that one must always cooperate with a police officer.

Maybe not...but there are about 25 million laws that will put you in jail for not cooperating with one.

In what situation do you not have to cooperate with a police officer?
 

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In what situation do you not have to cooperate with a police officer?

Most, if you're not obligated to be in contact with them (traffic stop etc).

Cop knocks on your door, starts asking questions. You're under no obligation to answer and it's likely in your best interest to ask them to leave immediately.

Cop "asking questions" is in general the most obvious and best time to not "cooperate".

Anything you say to a police officer can be used against you.

In the case of a traffic stop, for example - Cooperation is helpful to get the stop completed as quickly and safely as possible.

Give me a ticket (if warranted) or let me leave immediately.

No answers to ANY of your questions, sir.

Give me a ticket or let me leave immediately.

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Cops are trained to ask questions and "investigate".

Citizens are best trained to NOT answer questions and to terminate an encounter with a police officer as quickly and safely as possible.

To bring this back into Topic, teenagers in the 21st century - until quite a few laws are changed - are best advised to not engage with police officers unless they (the teen) initiate the encounter. (request for service, help etc).

The DARE program creates an imaginary relationship that suggests the "cop is your friend" when in reality the very same cop could well destroy your life and the lives of those you love if you give them the wrong information.

And it's not because the cop is inherently a bad or destructive person.

Rather, it's because cops in the 21st century have been assigned the role of "law enforcers" rather than the more time-honored and respected "Peace officers".

Given the bevy of absurd and inappropriate laws which a teenager (or adult) can violate at any given moment, any increased level of interaction with police increases the chance one will be brought to task for being a lawbreaker. And in the 21st century, the associated penalties for far too many absurd laws can be devastating - especially to a minor.
 

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Not likely a cop is going to be knocking on your door unless called there.

On a traffic stop, there are no time frames. The police can conduct an investigation as warranted. It takes time to run a person's check sometimes.

Plus, if the person stopped is an a-hole, well then it may just take a bit longer.

Also, no ID when stopped? Well then, you're getting out of the car, patted down, and having a seat in the back of the patrol car. Still running your mouth? Well then, you're going to jail.
 

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