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nother example of those who do the right thing subsidizing the losers

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Credit cards have long been a very good deal for people who pay their bills on time and in full. Even as card companies imposed punitive fees and penalties on those late with their payments, the best customers racked up cash-back rewards, frequent-flier miles and other perks in recent years.


Now Congress is moving to limit the penalties on riskier borrowers, who have become a prime source of billions of dollars in fee revenue for the industry. And to make up for lost income, the card companies are going after those people with sterling credit.

Banks are expected to look at reviving annual fees, curtailing cash-back and other rewards programs and charging interest immediately on a purchase instead of allowing a grace period of weeks, according to bank officials and trade groups.


"It will be a different business," said Edward L. Yingling, the chief executive of the American Bankers Association, which has been lobbying Congress for more lenient legislation on behalf of the nation's biggest banks. "Those that manage their credit well will in some degree subsidize those that have credit problems."


As they thin their ranks of risky cardholders to deal with an economic downturn, major banks including American Express, Citigroup, Bank of America and a long list of others have already begun to raise interest rates, and some have set their sights on consumers who pay their bills on time. The legislation scheduled for a Senate vote on Tuesday does not cap interest rates, so banks can continue to lift them, albeit at a slower pace and with greater disclosure.

"There will be one-size-fits-all pricing, and as a result, you'll see the industry will be more egalitarian in terms of its revenue base," said David Robertson, publisher of the Nilson Report, which tracks the credit card business.


People who routinely pay off their credit card balances have been enjoying the equivalent of a free ride, he said, because many have not had to pay an annual fee even as they collect points for air travel and other perks.
"Despite all the terrible things that have been said, you're making out like a bandit," he said. "That's a third of credit card customers, 50 million people who have gotten a great deal."


Robert Hammer, an industry consultant, said the legislation might have the broad effect of encouraging card issuers to become ever more reliant on fees from marginal customers as well as creditworthy cardholders -- "deadbeats" in industry parlance, because they generate scant fee revenue.


"They aren't charities. They have shareholders to report to," he said, referring to banks and credit card companies. "Whatever is left in the model to work from, they will start to maneuver."


Banks used to give credit cards only to the best consumers and charge them a flat interest rate of about 20 percent and an annual fee. But with the relaxing of usury laws in some states, and the ready availability of credit scores in the late 1980s, banks began offering cards with a variety of different interest rates and fees, tying the pricing to the credit risk of the cardholder. That helped push interest rates down for many consumers, but they soared for riskier cardholders, who became a significant source of revenue for the industry. The recent economic downturn challenged that formula, and banks started dumping the riskiest customers and lowering their credit limits in earnest as the recession accelerated. Now, consumers who pay their bills off every month are issuing a rising chorus of complaints about shortened grace periods, new hidden fees and higher interest rates.
The industry says that the proposals will force banks to issue fewer credit cards at greater cost to the current cardholders.


Citigroup and Capital One referred comments to the A.B.A. Discover and American Express declined to comment. Bank of America intends to "provide credit to the largest number of creditworthy customers possible, while also remaining prudent in our lending practices," said Betty Riess, a spokeswoman. Together with JPMorgan Chase, which has said the changes will force it to limit credit availability and raise fees, these banks account for 80 percent of the credit card industry.


Banks are not required to publicly reveal how much money they make from penalty interest rates and fees, though government officials and industry consultants estimate they constitute a growing portion of revenue.
For instance, Mr. Hammer said the amount of money generated by penalty fees like late charges and exceeding credit limits had increased by about $1 billion annually in recent years, and should top $20 billion this year.


Regulations passed by the Federal Reserve in December to curb unexpected interest charges would cost issuers about $12 billion a year in lost fees and income, according to industry calculations. The legislation before Congress would build on the Fed rules and would further squeeze banks' revenue when they are being hit with a high rate of credit card charge-offs. The government's stress tests showed that the nation's 19 biggest banks will take on $82 billion in credit card losses in the next two years.


A 2005 report by the Government Accountability Office estimated that 70 percent of card issuers' revenue came from interest charges, and the portion from penalty rates appeared to be growing. The remainder came from fees on cardholders as well as retailers for processing transactions.



Many retailers are angry at the high fees and plan to pass them on to shoppers once the Congressional legislation takes effect.
Consumer advocates say they have little sympathy for credit card issuers, arguing that they have made billions in recent years with unfair and sometimes deceptive practices.


"The business model will change because the business model doesn't work for the public," said Gail Hillebrand, a senior lawyer at Consumers Union.
"In order to do business under the new rules, they'll actually have to tell you how much it's going to cost," she said.


With many consumers mired in debt and angry at what they consider gouging by credit card companies, the issue of credit card reform has broad populist appeal. Members of Congress and the Obama administration have seized on the discontent to push reforms that the industry succeeded in tamping down when the economy was flying high.


Austan Goolsbee, an economic adviser to President Obama, said that while the credit card industry had the right to make a reasonable profit as long as its contracts were in plain language and rule-breakers were held accountable, its current practices were akin to "a series of carjackings."
"The card industry is giving the argument that if you didn't want to be carjacked, why weren't you locking your doors or taking a different road?" Mr. Goolsbee said.
 

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So, as the current administration tries to run banks, Wall St, automakers, dealerships, consumer credit, corporate travel, health care, employee compensation, employee benefits, commercial trade............ and I'm sure I'm missing many

you have to keep in mind, it's the Republicans that took away our freedoms with the gambling act, not the current administration.

as a matter of fact, they'll tell you with a straight face that it's Bush's fault that Obama is implementing an extreme left wing agenda.

:lol:
 

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as a matter of fact, they'll tell you with a straight face that it's Bush's fault that Obama is implementing an extreme left wing agenda.

:lol:

who's "they"

anyway this statement is 100% true without bush there would never be an obama

newtons 3rd law of motion
 

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who's "they"

anyway this statement is 100% true without bush there would never be an obama

newtons 3rd law of motion


1) "they" are Obama supporters

2) that's not the type of credit / blame I'm talking about, and you know it
 

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This not be good for the millions of hard working decent Republicans who pay their bills on time. This here new Democratic program is just what Joseph the Plumber warned us about. This be no good whatsoever in my opinion.

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willie wrong yet again.

this bill was bipartisan 90-5 vote.
 

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I have mixed feelings about this

Legislation cannot protect us from our own stupidity

At the same time, it does seem all the idiots buying things they can't afford hurts everyone else
 

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Lets all wring our hands for the poor ole credit card companies.

If you believe that the good are subsidising the bad and that they just have to now place annual fees on the card, well, I guess you still believe in the "Bush boom'.

Retailers that take credit cards (almost all of them) pay the CC bankers a percentage.

Its a bird nest on the ground. All the other systeresque shit they pull is just very rich gravy.
 

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honestly people like me will just tear um up for the most part if they start charging fees and automatically the interest rates start pumping from the time you make a purchase and just go back to the old days of paying cash

and in the end it will kinda be a good thing as the retailers won't have to raise their prices as much as less people will be swiping cards to give to the CC companies

i don't use my CC much anyway just enough to pay some balance every month to keep my credit good....i generally swipe at the mega retailers and go with cash at mom and pop shops to do my part as far as my hate for the big corporations that are in bed with government....pretty meaningless but eh....

punter only guys that make money off the swiping stuff are mastercard and visa....not CC bankers.....mastercard and visa are the processors that get those fees....the CC bankers are on the hook for making sure they get paid and make a profit off the J6P that did the swiping.....

that's why mastercard and visa's stock has been relatively immune to all this shit....all they care about is more people swiping the plastic....they have no risk associated with it....
 

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If their business model was grounded on gouging and penalizing people who has trouble paying, then their business model needs to be fixed. I doubt rewards and the like will go away, the business should still be competitive and if my card eliminates perks I'll go to someone else that doesn't. They'll just make a little less profit.

The rules that are being enacted seem perfectly reasonable to me.
 

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also i could be wrong on that punter not sure if both mastercard/visa as well as the bank who's on the hook for the purchase both charge the retailers a fee for the swipe....

i know mastercard/visa does and their transactions are risk free all the care about is more people worldwide swiping more plastic year over year

that said the thing most people don't realize is that you aren't gaining anything with the rewards/paying your balance every month as the heavy use of CCs causes the retailers to increase their prices to pay the fees....without CCs you would be paying slightly lower prices if we were still a cash only society......i guess its a free one month or so loan.....

at the same time i guess you can say that's the price you pay for the convenience of using plastic instead of cash.....

either way the whole CC industry is too big and bloated with too many companies and as far the US goes its peaked out for a long time.....going forward their targets to do the same thing they did here in the US is going to be india and china and such.....and try to get those people enslaved in gobs of debt......although i think their consumer will be much smarter about it than stupid americans but maybe i'm wrong......
 

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willie wrong yet again.

this bill was bipartisan 90-5 vote.

GTC08IQ, please do tell me what I was wrong about, since the they in this statement is 100% correct. Just ask the likes of Punter


they'll tell you with a straight face that it's Bush's fault that Obama is implementing an extreme left wing agenda.




the only thing you continue to prove is that you simply cannot comprehend an issue to save your life
 

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Tiz, if the feds can get the gumption to go after these bastards against all the lobby power they have, it will give me real hope for our new administration.

To want to protect them is akin to wanting the brown recluse spider and the rattle snake afforded endangered species protection.
 

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go after the banksters!!?? government!!!???

:laugh:

only way anything will ever change off our current course of increasing commufascism in this country is the people revolting/revolution

till than nothing will "change"....

and all the change and hope nonsense is just that nonsense....as its more of the same shit...it just looks different....
 

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willie wrong yet again

:laugh:


GTC08IQ, coming from the child who's never been right about anything, that would mean I'm right again. :103631605


PS: I know you don't understand this, but there are many reasons why you never answer questions and you don't know how to articulate an argument, thus you resort to Rush or Sean or something brilliant like that, and none of the reasons are good.
 

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Looks like this bill also adds a 21 and over age clause for card issuance unless a parent co-signs or they show "ability to pay".

I suppose the days of college kids without even a whiff of having a job, getting a handful of visa/mc cards and using them for spring break and tuesday-sat night draft beers are going to require more creativity.

Getting a free t-shirt and simply being over 18 with a pulse wont be enough to obtain credit cards.

Its nice that the govt cares so much about its debtors and other vulnerable citizens.

In the USA, concepts such as free market capitalism and rugged individualism only can be found in history books.

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Looks like this bill also adds a 21 and over age clause for card issuance unless a parent co-signs or they show "ability to pay".

I suppose the days of college kids without even a whiff of having a job, getting a handful of visa/mc cards and using them for spring break and tuesday-sat night draft beers are going to require more creativity.

Getting a free t-shirt and simply being over 18 with a pulse wont be enough to obtain credit cards.

Its nice that the govt cares so much about its debtors and other vulnerable citizens.

In the USA, concepts such as free market capitalism and rugged individualism only can be found in history books.

:grandmais

Not to worry WOOF, the strong ones will still beat the weak ones.
 

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