what does this mean?
as I've said in the past, the Republican Party is far from dead. The only thing Republicans need to do is become more conservative, and prove to their base that there really is a difference between Republicans & Democrats. Unfortunately, they didn't do a very good job of being a fiscally conservative party under Bush, including the Republican controlled Congress.
Of course Obama is making Bush look like an ultra conservative fiscally, but that's for another day.
It also means nationalized health care is far from a slam dunk.
as I've said in the past, the Republican Party is far from dead. The only thing Republicans need to do is become more conservative, and prove to their base that there really is a difference between Republicans & Democrats. Unfortunately, they didn't do a very good job of being a fiscally conservative party under Bush, including the Republican controlled Congress.
Of course Obama is making Bush look like an ultra conservative fiscally, but that's for another day.
It also means nationalized health care is far from a slam dunk.
Punty still refuses...absolutely pig headed refuses to acknowledge the Obama deficits.
When the Dems are done with this little party they will lay the foundation for another 30 year Republican run...just to straighten everything out again like Reagan did.
I'll just wait for the same fear I saw after four years of Carter...it's coming soon. Mark my words.
He was elected for various reasons.
Part of it was his oratory skills,
part of it was the enormous dislike for GWB,
part of it was the Republicans nominated a weak candidate,
part of it was the campaign he ran was as good as it gets,
part of it was he is black,
part of it was his charisma.
But the biggest part was he offered everyone everything and no matter how outlandish it seemed, the majority bought what he was selling.
Republican party isn't dead but is on it's way. Since Reagan the have been spending like drunken sailors, building up debt, getting more and more involved in our personal lives and not opening themselves up to the changing demographics of the USA. Maybe if they actually believed in conservatism it would turn around but they are far from conservative.
you need actual politicians, thats the problem. i myself agree with more conservative viewpoints then liberal viewpoints. i have stated 100 times i was against any stimulus or bailout, i am way more into defense and borders then most people, i am only far left on health care.
social issues like gay marriage, abortion i also dont care either way.
the party has no capable leader though and its image is horrible, which is why its going nowhere for years to come. there going to trot out romney, palin, pawlenty or jindal out in 2012 and just get pummeled again. no republican will go out and vote for them.
need to make it more diverse(ethnically and socially) and need to get the church out of it.
most americans are moderate. i don''t think a majority are conservative, regardless of the poll. most are like me, go back and forth between ideologies on a subject by subect basis.
social issues like gay marriage, abortion i also dont care either way.
the party has no capable leader though and its image is horrible, which is why its going nowhere for years to come. there going to trot out romney, palin, pawlenty or jindal out in 2012 and just get pummeled again. no republican will go out and vote for them.
need to make it more diverse(ethnically and socially) and need to get the church out of it.
most americans are moderate. i don''t think a majority are conservative, regardless of the poll. most are like me, go back and forth between ideologies on a subject by subect basis.
there is a good thread about this on the other forum i post at, political forum. some good posts about defining what a conservative is and that george bush and mccain considered themselves conservatives as well.
also, obama would have lost if this graph was accurate, and many liberals also say they are moderate at the same time.
here's the post that sums it up:
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This poll is worthless. 'Liberals' are very fond of thinking of themselves as moderate. Just look at how the people in the old media self-identify. 40% will say they're moderate and yet 90% vote Democrat every election. It's almost the same in academia. Colin Powell thinks he's moderate.
And worse, I bet GWB and John McLame thought they were consevative.
http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...vatives-single-largest-ideological-group.html
also, obama would have lost if this graph was accurate, and many liberals also say they are moderate at the same time.
here's the post that sums it up:
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This poll is worthless. 'Liberals' are very fond of thinking of themselves as moderate. Just look at how the people in the old media self-identify. 40% will say they're moderate and yet 90% vote Democrat every election. It's almost the same in academia. Colin Powell thinks he's moderate.
And worse, I bet GWB and John McLame thought they were consevative.
http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...vatives-single-largest-ideological-group.html
So somebody saying liberals like to call themselves moderates somehow proves the poll is wrong.
I need just a little more substance.
At the end of the day, many people may not be entirely accurate about how they define themselves, and the media obviously has reasons to define themselves as moderate (supposed objectivity), but that's a long way from proving the poll is wrong.
There are many key issues that prove we are a right of center country. As a nation:
1) we believe in capitalism, more so than our current crop of elected officials. we don't support the bailout
2) we believe in low taxes
3) we don't support national health care still, and the Democrats were run out of town when they tried to take over health care in 1994
4) we believe in a strong national defense
5) we believe in individual responsibility.
at the end of the day, if people are ashamed to call themselves liberal, there's a reason for that.
I need just a little more substance.
At the end of the day, many people may not be entirely accurate about how they define themselves, and the media obviously has reasons to define themselves as moderate (supposed objectivity), but that's a long way from proving the poll is wrong.
There are many key issues that prove we are a right of center country. As a nation:
1) we believe in capitalism, more so than our current crop of elected officials. we don't support the bailout
2) we believe in low taxes
3) we don't support national health care still, and the Democrats were run out of town when they tried to take over health care in 1994
4) we believe in a strong national defense
5) we believe in individual responsibility.
at the end of the day, if people are ashamed to call themselves liberal, there's a reason for that.
interesting breakdown by demographics. Some might say that the country is moving towards the left because younger people are liberal. I would argue younger people have always been more liberal, myself included. That's the result of being taught by liberal educators. I think many people move to the right as they go through life.
(trying to choose my words very carefully, because I'm not intending to offend anyone. Good & smart people can & do disagree)
(trying to choose my words very carefully, because I'm not intending to offend anyone. Good & smart people can & do disagree)
Maybe conservatives need a new party.
1) The bailouts were lead by both parties and even the republican presidential candidate suspended his campaign to get them going.
2)Low taxes but Reagan the name we always here brought forward to what the republicans need to go back to raised taxes 5 out of 8 years. Reducing them only 1 year. We dont need another Reagan. Bush I raised taxes despite saying "no new taxes" and forced states to fund federal programs forcing the states to raise taxes.
3) No national health care under republicans for sure and no attempt to fix the system either.
4) Strong national defense....lmao...if you mean invading countries sure then you are right...but remember the last terrorist attacks and the exploding border issues have happened under the republican watch and I know the dems wouldn't do any better.
5) Personal responsiblity? Are you kidding me? Then why are the majority of conservatives against legalizing drugs, gambling, prostitution, anti-choice, gay unions, etc.?
I believe the true liberals which there are very few in politics believe way more in personal freedoms as do true conservative like Barry Goldwater. You want conservatism then stop calling out for another Reagan and start calling out for another Goldwater.
Willie you are obviously a smart guy. Unfortunately you seem to want to push forward this partisanship. Aren't everyones point of views suppose to be respected and protected as long as they don't invade or take aways other freedoms?
The only reason I wouldn't call myself a liberal is because it associates me with democrats. I am liberal and believe in legalising the above issues I stated as well as having very little government regulations of guns. I want both arties to stop taking away our personal freedoms.
Dodgingpotholes, because Republican leadership moved too far to the left, they weakened the support of their base which is one of the primary reasons they're in the minority now. Less money, less motivation, less enthusiasm equals defeat.
The American people don't support the bailouts, especially conservatives. Another reason McCain lost. They all looked the same. Of course Obama is showing us what a modern day liberal really is, he'll try to spend all the wealth in the world in one year. The Republican Senate prevented the automobile bailout temporarily. Look how well that bailout worked.
To argue RR raised taxes is a flat out misrepresentation of the facts. Tax rates were significantly lower across the boards when he left office compared to when he took office. He did increase rates from the modern day lows he established.
No national health care? no shit. A healthcare system that makes the overwhelming majority of Americans happy doesn't need to be overhauled, just tweaked.
I'm interpreting individual responsibility much differently than you. I'm talking about accepting responsibility for your own decisions in life, not thinking you're owed some bailout. Don't think liberals govern any differently on your list of social issues, except for supporting abortionists. I believe babies that can survive outside a mother's womb have rights too.
The American people don't support the bailouts, especially conservatives. Another reason McCain lost. They all looked the same. Of course Obama is showing us what a modern day liberal really is, he'll try to spend all the wealth in the world in one year. The Republican Senate prevented the automobile bailout temporarily. Look how well that bailout worked.
To argue RR raised taxes is a flat out misrepresentation of the facts. Tax rates were significantly lower across the boards when he left office compared to when he took office. He did increase rates from the modern day lows he established.
No national health care? no shit. A healthcare system that makes the overwhelming majority of Americans happy doesn't need to be overhauled, just tweaked.
I'm interpreting individual responsibility much differently than you. I'm talking about accepting responsibility for your own decisions in life, not thinking you're owed some bailout. Don't think liberals govern any differently on your list of social issues, except for supporting abortionists. I believe babies that can survive outside a mother's womb have rights too.
