CHEATING in the NFL - Does anyone care?

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OK for the most part everyone jokes about the NFL and fixes. Deep inside everyone wants/has to believe everything is on the level. Yet we live in a era where players and officials have been caught shaving points, there have been allegations of tampering and there is wide spread cheating in the form of performance enhancing drugs. Why then when situations arise that look suspiciously odd are there never any investigations? I won't go into details like officials and reversals or decisions to take game changing points off the board etc. etc.

Most recently how is it a player like Eric Decker who is chosen to perform tasks for the specific reason he has such good hands not even considered to possibly be doing things intentionally? If a trustworthy employee showed up at work periodically with a large shopping bag and every time he did a valuable item disappeared from the store would there not be an investigation?
On Sunday Mr. Decker fell to the ground untouched with nothing but a clear path to the end zone costing the Broncos 7 points. Later he had a pass bounce off his chest and ricochet in the hands of a Charger. Again costing the Broncos 7 and the INT cost 3. Finally he wiffed on an onside kick recovery that allowed SD to recover leading to 3 pts for SD and possibly costing the Broncos 3 or 7 with a possession near mid field. Those are the glaring examples of suspicious performance, how many times did he fail to perform on plays the spotlight wasn't on him? Yes it's embarrassing to the player to have to deal with allegations but no more embarrassing then the employee in the example I gave with the shopping bag. Yet that employee would have to deal with it.

When players are the best at doing what they do and they are paid large sums of money to do that task doesn't the public deserve to know that multiple gaffs that effect wagers are truly just coincidence? Just having the press or the league ask the question would go a long way towards preserving the integrity of the game. I believe the biggest deterrent to players shaving points or cheating is the risk. If questions were asked or suggested when things look blatantly odd it would make the players aware that oddities that occur over and over in a game aren't going unnoticed. If a performance like Decker's goes unquestioned why would a player that took money to shave points think there is any risk?

I'm not pushing the idea all those errors were intentional. However given the odds on 3 mistakes of that magnitude occurring by chance I think ignoring the possibility is just being blind. I know the NFL likes to ignore the fact point spreads and gambling is involved but not addressing it only underscores the issue.
 

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OK for the most part everyone jokes about the NFL and fixes. Deep inside everyone wants/has to believe everything is on the level. Yet we live in a era where players and officials have been caught shaving points, there have been allegations of tampering and there is wide spread cheating in the form of performance enhancing drugs. Why then when situations arise that look suspiciously odd are there never any investigations? I won't go into details like officials and reversals or decisions to take game changing points off the board etc. etc.

Most recently how is it a player like Eric Decker who is chosen to perform tasks for the specific reason he has such good hands not even considered to possibly be doing things intentionally? If a trustworthy employee showed up at work periodically with a large shopping bag and every time he did a valuable item disappeared from the store would there not be an investigation?
On Sunday Mr. Decker fell to the ground untouched with nothing but a clear path to the end zone costing the Broncos 7 points. Later he had a pass bounce off his chest and ricochet in the hands of a Charger. Again costing the Broncos 7 and the INT cost 3. Finally he wiffed on an onside kick recovery that allowed SD to recover leading to 3 pts for SD and possibly costing the Broncos 3 or 7 with a possession near mid field. Those are the glaring examples of suspicious performance, how many times did he fail to perform on plays the spotlight wasn't on him? Yes it's embarrassing to the player to have to deal with allegations but no more embarrassing then the employee in the example I gave with the shopping bag. Yet that employee would have to deal with it.

When players are the best at doing what they do and they are paid large sums of money to do that task doesn't the public deserve to know that multiple gaffs that effect wagers are truly just coincidence? Just having the press or the league ask the question would go a long way towards preserving the integrity of the game. I believe the biggest deterrent to players shaving points or cheating is the risk. If questions were asked or suggested when things look blatantly odd it would make the players aware that oddities that occur over and over in a game aren't going unnoticed. If a performance like Decker's goes unquestioned why would a player that took money to shave points think there is any risk?

I'm not pushing the idea all those errors were intentional. However given the odds on 3 mistakes of that magnitude occurring by chance I think ignoring the possibility is just being blind. I know the NFL likes to ignore the fact point spreads and gambling is involved but not addressing it only underscores the issue.
Shhhhh youll make the NFL angry.
 

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I think this is just a case of Decker being a bit clumsy and inconsistent. In fact, back in his college days at Minnesota he was known as Erick "crazy legs" Decker. Not only does Decker sometimes fall on his own, but he has the uncanny ability to sweep young ladies off their feet as well. What's ironic is that something similar happened to Decker last year against San Diego, so maybe the Chargers put some sort of voodoo curse on Decker?

Here's the clip from last years stumble:

 

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Wouldn't make much sense for a guy making 1.5 mil to shave points. I believe he is UFA next year as well, so intentional plays as you suggest would be bad for him regarding his next contract.
 

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Decker drops balls and falls down ALL THE TIME (I was going to bring up that San Diego game from last year as well)
This is nothing new for him so stop with the conspiracy stuff.

"I'm not pushing the idea all those errors were intentional". Yes you are lol.

Do you know how much money you would have to offer an NFL player to shave points or influence an outcome of a game? They are not college kids.
They make a ton of money. Just the thought of a wise guy offering 20-30K to a NFL player to drop a pass or fumble a ball on purpose is comical.
You would need to make the offer in the 7 figures, then be able to lay off enough action to cover your investment in said bribe, then hope to hell that player is actually in a position to affect the game.

I'm mean its so crazy I'm not even sure what to say.
 

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Dude,

you lost a bet. It happens. So-Sorry-935&

This is the 2nd thread you've made about it.

It will be alright.
 

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Either enjoy the game or stop watching. Football players are human too, and not perfect. The ball is strangely shaped and two tons of human flesh are waiting to hit you on every kickoff.

Armchair QB's should be outlawed.

Sorry for the mini-rant, but I like the RX forum when it does not go off the deep end, and calls of fixes, etc. are not flattering posts.
 

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Did I lose money on this game? ..... yes.
Is that my motive in pointing out something that is odd? .... no.

First off I've lost a lot of games and a lot more than this game but I've never come here yelling fix. I also stated in the other thread (which didn't solely address the Decker ménage a trios). "If I thought the NFL was fixed I'd take my money and run."
I just think the possibility exists.

The example of Decker falling in a game last year was a single occurrence not repeated 3 times. This is the kind of thing that when something is discovered people look back at and say yeah how did I not see something so obvious.
Stating that players make too much money to take that kind of chance well what about all the guys taking chances with performance enhancing drugs? All these players aren't geniuses. Making a lot of money doesn't help them make the wisest decisions. Just ask Aaron Hernandez.

OK here's the bottom line .... do I think Decker was on the take? ..... not really.
Is it possible? ..... Yes. - We have to talk about something for a week don't we?
 

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Some of what you just said is absolutely true. Giving too much money to guys like Aaron Hernandez is not a good thing. Was he 100% committed to being the best player he could be or more committed to being stupid and thinking he was someone special? In Decker's case many a person has made a mistake in a game more than once simply by trying too hard not to make another mistake.

In the very 1st Super Bowl (not officially called that at the time), Max McGee (GB) was drunk and hungover because he never thought he would be playing. He ended up being the star of the game! To some players football is just a game. To the Manning's and Brady's of the world, to the 53rd man on a roster, and to some of the more savvy 22-27 year olds it is trying to do your very best at all times, because even though perfection is not attainable, effort is.

Enjoy the games. It's alot better than watching truck pulls on TV or fifteen commercials in a row, reminding us that football is a business. I prefer the sporting part of it.
 

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Simple solution......quit watching the games. Become a NBA fan and find excuses why that league is fixed.
 

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I think this is just a case of Decker being a bit clumsy and inconsistent. In fact, back in his college days at Minnesota he was known as Erick "crazy legs" Decker. Not only does Decker sometimes fall on his own, but he has the uncanny ability to sweep young ladies off their feet as well. What's ironic is that something similar happened to Decker last year against San Diego, so maybe the Chargers put some sort of voodoo curse on Decker?

Here's the clip from last years stumble:


Nothing wrong with that (sweeping young ladies off their feet)....Men have been doing that since the beginning of time. Lets face-it...Voodoo-ism began in the
Darkest Continents of the World.....long-ago.
 

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I've had a chance to watch the NFL evolve during the past 65 years....some of the changes are for the good, and some-of-it not so good. The bottom line today is money and lot's of it..........I remember when the punters for the Packers got paid each Sunday (after the game) in Cash.....$50.00, and they were damn glad to get-it. Running backs.....if they were (all-pro), got $300.00 per-game, that is, if they were willing to play defensive-back as well (Tony Canadeo comes to-mind) The Packers played half their home-games (in Milwaukee)....a larger market, at the Wisconsin State-Fair grounds in front of 18,000 fans......This was back in the late 40's (right after the War). The game has changed so much, it's hard for us old-timers to recognize pro-football today. ...The players are 100 lbs (plus) bigger and faster than greased-horseh*t.....no wonder there are so many injuries. Fortunately the equipment is better (when they wear-it......many times knee pads are not worn.....ouch).

Will the game change 50 years from now ? Hell yes, that is, if [it] survives as we know it today along with the fans (man-kind). Will there still be "bookies".......probably, as long as the odds-makers put a line on the game and a "sucker" is still born every day.....ha.
 

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if anybody would be bought I would assume it would be the refs. They could use the money.
 

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You don't believe some of these games are manipulated ur dead ass wrong, every big televised game comes down to the wire no one wants to watch a blowout a few holding penalties etc can turn a NFL game fast and make competitive it's about tv ratings
 

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Shit just happens, whether he was or he wasn't, you were on the wrong side.

It sucks but don't bet the farm on any one bet and you can move on a little easier.

Best of luck to you.
 
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It's called selective memory that people have when they gamble. They only remember the plays that cost them money. They forget about the lucky bounces that cashes the ticket for them. NO NFL games or NBA games are fixed. You could not pay these players enough money to do it. They make to much.
 

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It's called selective memory that people have when they gamble. They only remember the plays that cost them money. They forget about the lucky bounces that cashes the ticket for them. NO NFL games or NBA games are fixed. You could not pay these players enough money to do it. They make to much.


This is laughable. I do not mean to offend andnI am not saying this particular game was fixed. But if you think some pro sports as well as some collegiate games are not dirty I would urge you do a little research. There are plenty of documented examples of nefarious mis-deeds in all sporting endeavors.
 
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This is laughable. I do not mean to offend andnI am not saying this particular game was fixed. But if you think some pro sports as well as some collegiate games are not dirty I would urge you do a little research. There are plenty of documented examples of nefarious mis-deeds in all sporting endeavors.

Lay out your case that PRO sports is fixed not just because you THINK they are ! EVEDIENCE ! Need those DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES !
 
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3 UTEP NCAA BB players were recently found guilty of gambling on GAMES. THE NCAA said they didn't gamble on their own games. Now why would these 3 guys gamble on games they had no control over yet not gamble on games they could control? The NCAA doesn't want word to get out that the possibility of point shaving occurs often by saying the players didn't bet on their games.

Now if college players gamble and get into huge debt with a bookie the best repayment would be to throw a game. Now we have all these instances of point shaving and college kids gambling. How many of those make it to the pros and carry out those same tendencies? How many pro players go broke within a few years of being in the leagues along with how many are criminals and it's far from far fetched that these players couldn't be bought even though they make millions. There are plenty games I have wagered on where I won and it seemed like the only reason I won was because of the fix.

I believe with all the money those leagues make that they have a certain interest in who wins because of TV ratings along with VEGAS. I also saw the Saints get help in a few games to make that SB run happen so I'm not just using team bias.
 

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