Celebrating Independence Weekend

[jointpleasures]

Blow your fingers off!

Iraq will be celebrating there first independence next year!

Although it hovers around 50 percent of those 'polled' in favor of the war on Iraq in America it is alarming to realize that the Revolutionary War of 1776 had only 37 percent support of those living in what is now the United States of America!

The pacifist, socialist, communist... living amongst us were wrong then, and their wrong now.

 

[jimbutorac]

what freakin' pollsters existed in 1776?

The George Bush Revisionist Historian Polling Group?

By the way, support for Iraq war is below 50% and steadily detiororating (sp?).

 

[volhound]

Support for the war is complicated thing to pin down. Some people just support our troops, some support our policy, some are against our policy, but support our boys.
Some are blindly against anything this administration does while others are just looking for a fight.
I look at it this way - I'm in a bar with a friend and I'm minding my own business like I always do, I look over and my friend is fighting with others; I have no idea why he is fighting, but by god I'm going to jump in and support him. For all I know he is screwing one of their mothers, but at that moment I do not care b/c I support him unconditionally.
Loyalty is a dying virtue, sometimes with your family, your job, your life, your country - you have to go along with things that may not make sense at the time.
I think that a lot of those Iraqis are grateful for not having a genocidal dictator, some just hate America, but will reap the benefits of a free society.
I personally feel that America should mind it's own business in most matters, build more walls that are exit only to let the whiners and ungrateful ones out. We should leave the European countries alone to fend for themselves economically and militarily. Most of them would like that until they were invaded.
With that being said - i think that we should finish the fight. There is no choice now in that matter. Bush nor Kerry will pull out so the point is somewhat moot. The crybabies should look forward. I have worked with so many complainers in the past, you know the type, always pointing out the problems, but never offering solutions. That is so easy for a non thinking man.

vol

 

[Phaedrus]

Mudbone

I have no idea where the above 37% figure came from, but contrary to what is usually taught in schoolbooks, the American Revolution did not enjoy broad popular support. The so-called "Loyalist" movement was huge, and it was only when Thomas Paine's Common Sense was published in 1776 that a popular movement for seccession form the British Empire got underway -- mind you, this was months after the war itself had started (generally considered to be 18 April 1775, at the Battle of Lexington and Concord (the stuff we ignore in grade school -- "shot heard 'round the world," Paul Revere's Ride etc.)

The revolutionary forces were so badly off and wanting for support that it took a rich businessman named Robert Morris to bail them out by cosigning a letter of credit to dispatch emergency funds to General Washington, many of whose troops were on the verge of desertion for having not been paid and the uncertain battle they faced.

Why virtually none of this is taught to Americans in school, but idiotic mythology like the story of Washington and the cherry tree is, is anybody's best guess.


Phaedrus

 

[jimbutorac]

Phaedrus,

Thanks for history lesson (seriously).

I guess this is the big difference:

As Revolutionary War went on, public support increased, quite the opposite in Iraq.

 

[Phaedrus]

Oh hell, there's no point in comparing the two at all actually. I didn't mean to add any legitimacy to such nonsense.

The American Revolution was the end result of years of attempting to get the insufferable British to stop tempting us into revolution. It bears no similiarity whatsoever to the invasion of iraq and toppling of its government, aside from minor technicalities.


Phaedrus