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Cheney v. Edward......Dick the sly Master of Deception.....


<!--StartFragment -->When asked about Afghanistan, Cheney talked about El Salvador; when asked about jobs, he tried to bring up education; when he was pressed on Halliburton, he directed people to a (wrong) website that doesn't answer any of the questions raised.

When he wasn't deflecting attention away from the administration's awful policy record (an arduous task, mind you), Cheney distorted the records of his opponents, distorted the Bush administration's records, and even distorted his own record. It was a busy night.

Cheney started early, by offering up this gem: "The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11." This was such a stunning display of overspin that it's almost silly to bother refuting it.

But let's go ahead anyway. Here's what Cheney had to say on "Meet the Press" in September 2003: "If we're successful in Iraq, then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Cheney wasn't finished. He disputed Edwards' claim that Americans have suffered 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq, stating that if Iraqis are included, that number drops to 50 percent. An article in today's Los Angeles Times rebuts that charge the best: "[T]here are no reliable figures on Iraqi deaths. As a result, Cheney's assertion is nearly impossible to verify."

It's similarly impossible to verify Cheney's assertion that, "You [Sen. Edwards] made the comment that the Gulf War coalition in '91 was far stronger than this. No. We had 34 countries then; we've got 30 today."

It's impossible to verify simply because it's demonstrably untrue. While the numbers are right, they're terribly misleading. For instance, other countries in the coalition during the Gulf War supplied nearly one quarter of the troops. Not so today. Other countries in the coalition pledged to finance the vast majority of operations in the Gulf War. Not so today.

http://www.americanfamilyvoices.org/projects/DailyRealityCheck.asp?ID=247

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10244-2004Oct5.html?
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[font=Arial, Helvetica]Small Businesses[/font]​

Cheney made a puffed-up claim that "900,000 small businesses will be hit" should Kerry and Edwards raise taxes on individuals making more than $200,000 a year, as they promise to do.

As we've explained before, 900,000 is an inflated figure that results from counting every high-income individual who reports even $1 of business income as a "small business owner." Even Cheney and his wife Lynne would qualify as a "small business owner" under that definition because Mrs. Cheney reports income as a "consultant" from fees she collects as a corporate board member, even though she had no employees and the business income is only 3.5% of the total income reported on their 2003 tax returns.

A better figure comes from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, which recently calculated that the Kerry tax increase would hit roughly 471,000 small employers. That's barely half the figure Cheney used.

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Cheney claimed Kerry had voted 98 times to raise taxes. As we've pointed out before, that's an inflated figure that counts multiple votes on the same tax bills, and also counts votes on budget measures that only set tax targets but don't actually bring about tax increases by themselves
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[font=Arial, Helvetica]The Bush-Cheney campaign released a television ad August 23 accusing Kerry of casting "98 votes for tax increases." The number is an improvement on Bush's earlier claim that Kerry cast 350 votes for "higher taxes," which we described as inflated. But even the new, reduced total is padded.


[font=Arial, Helvetica]Of the 98 votes for "tax increases," 43 were cast on budget measures that only set targets and don't actually legislate tax increases. Often, several votes are counted regarding a single tax bill.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]The ad also strives to blame Kerry for raising taxes on the "middle class" and says "There's what Kerry says and then there's what Kerry does." But a close look shows the votes cited in this ad are in fact fairly consistent with Kerry's promise only to raise taxes on those making over $200,000 a year.[/font]

Futher analysis; http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=247
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cussin'it said:
Cheney started early, by offering up this gem: "The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11." This was such a stunning display of overspin that it's almost silly to bother refuting it.

Overspin? Actually, it's a lie. An outright lie.

Cheney wasn't finished. He disputed Edwards' claim that Americans have suffered 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq, stating that if Iraqis are included, that number drops to 50 percent.

Cheney really is a heartless, twisted fück.

Other countries in the coalition during the Gulf War supplied nearly one quarter of the troops. Not so today. Other countries in the coalition pledged to finance the vast majority of operations in the Gulf War. Not so today.

The US was able to retain its allies through Gulf War I. Not so today. The streets were mostly void of protesters in Gulf War I. Not so today. The war was a response to aggression by Iraq. Not so today. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction in Gulf War I. Not so today.

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Record Faker

While we're on the subject, let's scrape this attendance bullcrap off our shoes once and for all.
"Senator, frankly, you have a record in the Senate that's not very distinguished," said Cheney. "Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you 'Senator Gone.' You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate."
Edwards' hometown newspaper (the tiny Moore County Pilot, not the Raleigh News & Observer)did call Edwards "Senator Gone" - once, in an editorial, more than a year ago. They also said, "Members of the senator's staff point out that Edwards' attendance record this year has been better than the three other Democratic senators who are campaigning for president - Joe Lieberman, Richard Gephardt and Bob Graham. And the aides also say none of the votes Edwards missed was close, so his presence on the floor would not have changed the outcome." Oh yes, and the Pilot supports John Kerry for president.

You may also be interested to know that in his first four years in the United States Senate, John Edwards had a voting attendance record of 99.2%, 100%, 99.2%, and 100%. Only in the last two years has his attendance record slipped, but that happens when you're running for president. Edwards' overall voting attendance record over six years is 84.8%. And since George W. Bush has spent 40% of his presidency on vacation, you'd think Cheney would want to keep his mouth shut about attendance records.
 

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LMFAO. Can't you post your own thoughts? No lets find some liberal jackass sight and copy and paste a bunch of stuff. Brilliant. As far off his rocker as Panda is at least he comes with some stuff he believes strongly in. Although he is about as liberal as Kerry that is his right, which is why he will lose.
 

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Royal Fart, you grow increasingly tiresome.

"Post your own thoughts" you must mean something like the "GOP talking points" you continue to spew in your posts.

I have noticed the level of discourse has taken a decided turn for the worse since you entereed the forum, maybe it's time for you to crawl back under your Crock.
 

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royalfan said:
LMFAO. Can't you post your own thoughts?
I have posted many of my thoughts, royaljackass. The point here is the facts that you and your bonesmoking brethren can't run from.

These are facts, get it facts. Cheney tried to attack Edwards character and Senatorial record. Of course, he only picks out a small item then completely spins it way out of proportion.
You actually dispute that DEOCK blatantly lied about meeting Edwards for the first time at the debate? Man you are one sad sack of ****.
Sorry, the facts tell otherwise.

You are supporting liars and people who would stop at nothing to smear anyone's reputation.
That makes you complicit and as far as I'm concerned the lowest type of trash their is, a simpleton Knucklehead who hates the truth when it doesn't support his outlandish beliefs.

Here is the fact. Bush has been gone 40% of the time from his job, we should all be so lucky.:finger:
 

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Talk about right on.

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