dafunk agree with all you say except the last sentence.
A lot more money was made writing books about card counting, than was ever won by card counters.
i know of at least 3 groups who won > USD$1M including one individual who probably won more than $3m from his own play.
many years ago i enjoyed playing 4 deck BJ and even 6 deck if the rules were good but the current 6 deck and 8 deck games would bore me to death.
chances or winning would be slim unless very skilled and ace tracking, back carding and shuffle tracking as well. check out an "acw" post for more details on same.
A lot more money was made writing books about card counting, than was ever won by card counters.
i know of at least 3 groups who won > USD$1M including one individual who probably won more than $3m from his own play.
many years ago i enjoyed playing 4 deck BJ and even 6 deck if the rules were good but the current 6 deck and 8 deck games would bore me to death.
chances or winning would be slim unless very skilled and ace tracking, back carding and shuffle tracking as well. check out an "acw" post for more details on same.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dafunk:
There are many myths about card counting.
The first is that only intelligent people can do it.
Unless you want to get into things like the Revere advanced point count, where you maintain two running counts - it's very easy. The average person could learn to do it within a week.
The second big myth, is that card counting is fun.
Card counting is work. Despite all the novels where counting is romanticized, and the players are made out as larger than life characters.
Counting is work. Long, boring, tedious work.
In order to make a profit you have to be willing to play thousands of hands. In the long run it really isn't worth the effort.
A lot more money was made writing books about card counting, than was ever won by card counters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right, it isn't fun. If your casino trip is a social event (going with friends, meet people, etc) counting cards is a hassle. You don't have to be super-smart to count cards, but you do have to pay attention and focus during every deal. If you turn around to give the waitress your drink-order, you could miss 10-15 cards.
There are many myths about card counting.
The first is that only intelligent people can do it.
Unless you want to get into things like the Revere advanced point count, where you maintain two running counts - it's very easy. The average person could learn to do it within a week.
The second big myth, is that card counting is fun.
Card counting is work. Despite all the novels where counting is romanticized, and the players are made out as larger than life characters.
Counting is work. Long, boring, tedious work.
In order to make a profit you have to be willing to play thousands of hands. In the long run it really isn't worth the effort.
A lot more money was made writing books about card counting, than was ever won by card counters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right, it isn't fun. If your casino trip is a social event (going with friends, meet people, etc) counting cards is a hassle. You don't have to be super-smart to count cards, but you do have to pay attention and focus during every deal. If you turn around to give the waitress your drink-order, you could miss 10-15 cards.
Sorry for the late reply Jman. I am still in vegas and will be through the superbowl. 8 days is a long time to be here and I am trying to pace myself. Lots of computer time in the room too. So far the trip is great. Hit a Royal on a quarter machine within a couple of hours of being here for $1000. Been trying the card counting a little and it seems to work, it just draws alot of attention, quick. They switched dealers on me at one point when I was winning. Half way through the next deck the new dealer asks me if I shouldn't increase my bet more since the count is in my favor and then shuffled early. The next deck was against me and he delt further to the bottom knowing the odds were against me.
In other words, they knew I was counting and nicely told me it was not going to work. Since I was betting small they didn't kick me out but I took this as a warning. It was kind of funny.
My goal for tomorrow is to be asked to leave, be banned, or be told I cant play blackjack. Then I can see what it feels like to be a "wise guy".
I'll report tomorrow.
Tom News, out
In other words, they knew I was counting and nicely told me it was not going to work. Since I was betting small they didn't kick me out but I took this as a warning. It was kind of funny.
My goal for tomorrow is to be asked to leave, be banned, or be told I cant play blackjack. Then I can see what it feels like to be a "wise guy".
I'll report tomorrow.
Tom News, out
TN,
If you really want to piss the casino off, make sure to play with someone else at the table so there will be a witness to the counting discussion between you and the dealer. Give the other customer a color commentary of what's happening. ie. "the count is good now and I'm raising my bet, see...now the dealer is getting frustrated...just try to make him smile...say something funny...you'll see, he won't smile...why? because he thinks I have a good chance to win...he'll do the same to you if he thinks you'll win...this house doesn't like it if you win...it's all a big charade...etc."
That should get you barred real quick. BTW thanks for the great NBA plays yesterday. I took your 3 winners (stayed off LA by some premonition) and made some nice $$$
If you really want to piss the casino off, make sure to play with someone else at the table so there will be a witness to the counting discussion between you and the dealer. Give the other customer a color commentary of what's happening. ie. "the count is good now and I'm raising my bet, see...now the dealer is getting frustrated...just try to make him smile...say something funny...you'll see, he won't smile...why? because he thinks I have a good chance to win...he'll do the same to you if he thinks you'll win...this house doesn't like it if you win...it's all a big charade...etc."
That should get you barred real quick. BTW thanks for the great NBA plays yesterday. I took your 3 winners (stayed off LA by some premonition) and made some nice $$$
Another sure-fire way to get barred -- use a huge spread between your smallest and largest bets, like 20-1 say. Bet $5 most of the time and then when it's favorable, plop down $100. That'll get their attention pretty quick. If your largest bet is less than $100 you may not get barred even if they know exactly what you are doing.
TN,
This is how you can be told to leave the quickest:
1.5 years ago I went to Atlantic City for the first and last time. I used to be an active card counter, but I am more into sports betting these days. I was on a holiday, so I had no intention of playing serious. I wanted to find out how soon one can be in trouble not trying to avoid any heat. Instead of staying out of the high stakes area I went straight into it. In the Taj Mahal I saw that the maximum was no more than $2500 a hand, so before I bought one chip, I started complaining that that maximum was too low, because sometimes I feel really strong on a hand and then I want to bet more, so I asked them, if they could higher the maximum. They said:"No". I then grabbed 50 x $100 out of my jacket. About three or four pit bosses came to the table in no-time. I then started wagering $100 only. Remember I was on a holiday, so I was more after the comps than trying to make serious money playing BJ. I was winning (without even counting) and decided to double up and ask for my hotel room, dinner, etc. They said:"We are sorry, but all rooms are full". I stopped straight away and did the same kind of thing in a few more hotels. I only got a room in the Tropicana that way. I did not have any intention of playing more than necessary, but it was bad weather and there is nothing else to do in that city than gambling, so I then decided to go back to the Taj Mahal and play slightly more serious. I was betting on a $100-2x$500 spread. I made $10000 in no time. Just pure luck. The next day I was told that my maximum was limited to $100. "Management decision", etc. Unbelievable! I could not believe my ears! Anyhow I went back to the hotel I was staying. There too I won $10000 in no time. I asked them if I could be offered a free meal in their Chinese restaurant. They made a reservation for me. While I was eating two guys came and sat down next to me. I asked them:"What is up?". I thought they were going to offer me the Presidential suite, but instead they said:"We do not like your playing style!". I said:"Oh, what is wrong with it?". They said:"Well, we are not going to pay for your dinner. You will have to pay it yourself!". I said:"Oh no problem. Please have a drink on me!". They rejected. Then 5 minutes later a heavy guy came in and he smashed his fist on the table saying:"YOU GOT TO PAY EITHER CASH OR WITH CREDIT CARD, BUT WE WILL NOT PAY YOUR MEAL". I asked this guy to calm down and sit down. Remember I was on a holiday and my income these days is not from Blackjack anymore. He did not want to sit down, but heated up even more and said that they were also not going to pay for my hotel room. I asked him how much it was going to cost me. About US$175 a night.
Anyhow the next day when I checked out and expected to get a huge hotel room bill, the guy at the cashier told me to pay $10 for telephone calls. I was shocked. The guy said:"Where you not aware of the fact that you had to pay $1 for each local call?". Before I could say anything the gentleman went on:"Well let me take it of your bill". I then did not get any bill. I looked even more stunned and asked:"So I do not have to pay anything?". He said:"No, I hope you enjoyed your time here!"
This is how you can be told to leave the quickest:
1.5 years ago I went to Atlantic City for the first and last time. I used to be an active card counter, but I am more into sports betting these days. I was on a holiday, so I had no intention of playing serious. I wanted to find out how soon one can be in trouble not trying to avoid any heat. Instead of staying out of the high stakes area I went straight into it. In the Taj Mahal I saw that the maximum was no more than $2500 a hand, so before I bought one chip, I started complaining that that maximum was too low, because sometimes I feel really strong on a hand and then I want to bet more, so I asked them, if they could higher the maximum. They said:"No". I then grabbed 50 x $100 out of my jacket. About three or four pit bosses came to the table in no-time. I then started wagering $100 only. Remember I was on a holiday, so I was more after the comps than trying to make serious money playing BJ. I was winning (without even counting) and decided to double up and ask for my hotel room, dinner, etc. They said:"We are sorry, but all rooms are full". I stopped straight away and did the same kind of thing in a few more hotels. I only got a room in the Tropicana that way. I did not have any intention of playing more than necessary, but it was bad weather and there is nothing else to do in that city than gambling, so I then decided to go back to the Taj Mahal and play slightly more serious. I was betting on a $100-2x$500 spread. I made $10000 in no time. Just pure luck. The next day I was told that my maximum was limited to $100. "Management decision", etc. Unbelievable! I could not believe my ears! Anyhow I went back to the hotel I was staying. There too I won $10000 in no time. I asked them if I could be offered a free meal in their Chinese restaurant. They made a reservation for me. While I was eating two guys came and sat down next to me. I asked them:"What is up?". I thought they were going to offer me the Presidential suite, but instead they said:"We do not like your playing style!". I said:"Oh, what is wrong with it?". They said:"Well, we are not going to pay for your dinner. You will have to pay it yourself!". I said:"Oh no problem. Please have a drink on me!". They rejected. Then 5 minutes later a heavy guy came in and he smashed his fist on the table saying:"YOU GOT TO PAY EITHER CASH OR WITH CREDIT CARD, BUT WE WILL NOT PAY YOUR MEAL". I asked this guy to calm down and sit down. Remember I was on a holiday and my income these days is not from Blackjack anymore. He did not want to sit down, but heated up even more and said that they were also not going to pay for my hotel room. I asked him how much it was going to cost me. About US$175 a night.
Anyhow the next day when I checked out and expected to get a huge hotel room bill, the guy at the cashier told me to pay $10 for telephone calls. I was shocked. The guy said:"Where you not aware of the fact that you had to pay $1 for each local call?". Before I could say anything the gentleman went on:"Well let me take it of your bill". I then did not get any bill. I looked even more stunned and asked:"So I do not have to pay anything?". He said:"No, I hope you enjoyed your time here!"
First the idea is to not get barred. Just like when you are playing at a sportsbook. If you make an attempt to disguise your play, it should not even be an issue.
The system that was posted by Monicus works, however I think the system where you do not count 2s (because they don't really hurt deck) and keep an ace side count is not only better but easier.
The system that was posted by Monicus works, however I think the system where you do not count 2s (because they don't really hurt deck) and keep an ace side count is not only better but easier.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> My goal for tomorrow is to be asked to leave, be banned, or be told I cant play blackjack. Then I can see what it feels like to be a "wise guy".
I'll report tomorrow.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So I guess its hard to disguise this card counting?
I'll report tomorrow.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So I guess its hard to disguise this card counting?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CrAzY Jivin' IvaN:
_acw_
WHat is your email?
I have a few questions for you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
acw, good story about Atlantic City. I'm sure you know that AC (unlike Vegas) legally can't stop card-counters from playing. Of course, that doesn't mean they have to be friendly to you and give you lots of comps.
Last year I went to AC with $500. It was supposed to be a low-key trip, just for fun. But within 8 hours I had $17,000 playing BJ. Partly because of luck, partly because of card-counting. My low bet was $25, my high bet was $500. Towards the end of my play, my friends arrived. That's when things got REALLY crazy. With $500 on the table, I turn to my friends and say "Damn, I really need a blackjack." Sure enough, I get blackjack.
At this point, I've got two dealers (they kept switching on me) and two pit-bosses at my table. So I turn to my friends and say "You know, next time I get a 20 and the dealer is showing a 6, I'm gonna split." Why not, it was supposed to be a fun trip, right? Go figure, about 12 hands later I've got $500 on the table when I get a 20 against a 6.
So my friends are laughing. The pit-bosses are looking at me, wondering if I'm gonna keep my word. Well, if you're gonna brag about splitting a 20, you gotta back it up, right? Get an ace and a jack. Dealer busts.
Overall, the casino employees were polite. Who knows, maybe they realized I was just having fun and getting lucky. Some of my bets (such as splitting the 20) weren't smart bets. And I probably tipped the dealers $100 or so.
Only problem was one of the dealers. Old lady, she got a bit cranky. She was like "Oh, you're probably a little rich boy. This is just play money for you, right?" Please, I wish. As I said, I walked into the casino with only $500. Needless to say, I didn't tip the old lady.
Also made some money at the casino in Windsor, Ontario. Turned $500 into $4,000 in 3 hours. But when I asked for a room, they were booked. Guess they didn't like my play. So I went to the bars/clubs in Windsor, and then I got a hotel. Didn't feel like giving the casino a chance to win back my money. Their fault, all they had to do was give me a room!
_acw_
WHat is your email?
I have a few questions for you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
acw, good story about Atlantic City. I'm sure you know that AC (unlike Vegas) legally can't stop card-counters from playing. Of course, that doesn't mean they have to be friendly to you and give you lots of comps.
Last year I went to AC with $500. It was supposed to be a low-key trip, just for fun. But within 8 hours I had $17,000 playing BJ. Partly because of luck, partly because of card-counting. My low bet was $25, my high bet was $500. Towards the end of my play, my friends arrived. That's when things got REALLY crazy. With $500 on the table, I turn to my friends and say "Damn, I really need a blackjack." Sure enough, I get blackjack.
At this point, I've got two dealers (they kept switching on me) and two pit-bosses at my table. So I turn to my friends and say "You know, next time I get a 20 and the dealer is showing a 6, I'm gonna split." Why not, it was supposed to be a fun trip, right? Go figure, about 12 hands later I've got $500 on the table when I get a 20 against a 6.
So my friends are laughing. The pit-bosses are looking at me, wondering if I'm gonna keep my word. Well, if you're gonna brag about splitting a 20, you gotta back it up, right? Get an ace and a jack. Dealer busts.
Overall, the casino employees were polite. Who knows, maybe they realized I was just having fun and getting lucky. Some of my bets (such as splitting the 20) weren't smart bets. And I probably tipped the dealers $100 or so.
Only problem was one of the dealers. Old lady, she got a bit cranky. She was like "Oh, you're probably a little rich boy. This is just play money for you, right?" Please, I wish. As I said, I walked into the casino with only $500. Needless to say, I didn't tip the old lady.
Also made some money at the casino in Windsor, Ontario. Turned $500 into $4,000 in 3 hours. But when I asked for a room, they were booked. Guess they didn't like my play. So I went to the bars/clubs in Windsor, and then I got a hotel. Didn't feel like giving the casino a chance to win back my money. Their fault, all they had to do was give me a room!
Is Card Counting Legal?
By Henry Tamburin
1 June 2001
This is one of the questions most often asked of me by casino players. But before I give the answer, let me briefly explain what card counting is all about for readers who may not be familiar with it.
Card counting is a system that allows players to keep track of certain cards played. You are not memorizing every card like Rain Man; rather you count only certain cards. The way you count cards is this way. You assign a tag to specific cards, such as +1 for small cards like 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, and -1 for the high cards like 10, picture cards and aces. Then it's just a matter of counting the tags of each of these cards as they are played. For example, if player #1 has a 6, 5 and decides to double down and draws a queen, the count of her hand would be +1 (if you add the tags of each card in her hand, you arrive at the sum of +1). Card counters look at each card and continue the process of adding the tags to arrive at a sum, which is known as the running count.
The basic concept behind card counting is this -- high cards tend to favor the player and small cards favor the dealer. Why? If there is a large concentration of high cards in the undealt cards, there is a higher chance of getting a blackjack, which favors the player because of the 3 to 2 payout. Also, players will most likely draw a high card when the undealt cards are rich in high cards. If there are a lot of small cards left, the dealer is more likely going to draw to a standing hand and beat the players. So, as a general rule, if the undealt cards are rich in large cards, this is a player favorable situation. Likewise, if the undealt cards are rich in small cards, the edge swings to the dealer.
The correlation between the running count and the condition of the undealt cards is as follows. When a card counter has a positive running, this means there is an excess of small cards over large cards played, therefore the reverse has to be true in the undealt cards (i.e., in a positive running count the undealt cards contain more large cards). With a negative running count, the opposite is true; namely, the undealt cards are rich in small cards.
The bottom line is this. When a card counter has a positive running count, the edge is in his favor and therefore he increases the amount of his wager. When the running count is negative, the dealer has the edge and the counter bets the minimum amount. By only making large bets when the counter has the advantage (i.e., when the running count is positive) and small bets when he doesn't have the better of it, the counter gains the upper hand over the casino.
The issue of the legality of card counting is a complicated one. Historically most of the known cases have come from Nevada and Atlantic City. Most other gaming jurisdictions are still grappling with this issue. Since I am not a lawyer, I will say up front much of the response you are about to read was gleaned from the excellent book Blackjack and the Law by I. Nelson Rose and Robert Loeb. I highly recommend it.
"Is blackjack card counting illegal"?
As long as a card counter is only using his brains to decide how to play his hand, then the act of card counting is not illegal.
"How do casinos get away with excluding card counters from playing blackjack"? "Isn't this discrimination"?
The Nevada courts have allowed casinos to exclude card counters because technically they are private property, and under the ancient common law right a property owner could kick off his property anyone for any reason, or even without a reason. Many players and lawyers believe that barring skillful players from playing blackjack is an unconstitutional form of discrimination. However, the Supreme Court prohibits discrimination only against persons who are members of "suspect classifications" based on race, creed, sex, national origin, age, or physical disability (i.e., card counters are not listed in the "suspect classifications"). Therefore, until a law is passed or blackjack players bring a challenge, casinos will continue the practice of barring card counters.
In Atlantic City casinos, the late Ken Uston (blackjack author and professional card counter), won the right in the N.J. courts for card counters to count cards there. Essentially the N.J. Supreme Court told the AC casinos that they could not bar card counters unless the N.J. Casino Control Commission issued a rule saying counters could be barred. So far they have not made this ruling, however, they have allowed the casinos to make the game of blackjack much harder for counters to beat.
"Can the casinos legally 'backroom" a card counter"?
"Backrooming" is a word that has come to denote the practice of detaining or harassing a player who is barred. Usually the casino will ask to see some form of identification and take the player's picture. Under common law and the laws of most states, it is illegal for a business establishment to detain a person, unless the customer has committed a crime and the business is holding the person while awaiting the arrival of police. Therefore, when a casino security agent asks if a player will accompany him to the office, the player has the right to refuse, unless he is being held for a crime. In Nevada, a casino has the right to question and detain any person suspected of cheating. New Jersey, however, made the point that card counting is not a crime and therefore it is not permissible for a casino to detain and question a person suspected of being a card counter. The casino also does not have the right to demand identification because it is ejecting someone for card counting. A player should not have to provide his name upon request of the casino, but it could conceivably be considered obstruction of justice to refuse to provide one's name upon the request of the police. A player also cannot be forced to pose for a photograph.
If the casino is barring you:
Don't admit that you are a card counter.
Don't wait long enough for your picture to taken.
Don't start an argument or make a loud fuss.
Don't go to a bar and have a drink.
Don't show your identification
Don't touch any casino employee.
"Can a casino have a card counter arrested for trespassing if he returns and plays blackjack in a casino in which he was previously barred from playing"?
Most states have trespassing statutes that makes it a misdemeanor for a person to remain on or return to a property after receiving notice from the owner that the person is not allowed on the premises. Most casinos in barring a card counting will tell them "not to return," however it is not usually followed by arrest and prosecution if they do return.
One final tip based on my playing experiences. The best way to avoid getting barred is to play for short periods of time (no more than one hour), increase your bets incrementally by parlaying your wins, and give the appearance that you are just another gambler out for a good time. Your best source for learning how to get away with getting the money is the book Burning the Tables in Las Vegas by Ian Andersen. Its must reading for all "wannabe" card counters.
By Henry Tamburin
1 June 2001
This is one of the questions most often asked of me by casino players. But before I give the answer, let me briefly explain what card counting is all about for readers who may not be familiar with it.
Card counting is a system that allows players to keep track of certain cards played. You are not memorizing every card like Rain Man; rather you count only certain cards. The way you count cards is this way. You assign a tag to specific cards, such as +1 for small cards like 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, and -1 for the high cards like 10, picture cards and aces. Then it's just a matter of counting the tags of each of these cards as they are played. For example, if player #1 has a 6, 5 and decides to double down and draws a queen, the count of her hand would be +1 (if you add the tags of each card in her hand, you arrive at the sum of +1). Card counters look at each card and continue the process of adding the tags to arrive at a sum, which is known as the running count.
The basic concept behind card counting is this -- high cards tend to favor the player and small cards favor the dealer. Why? If there is a large concentration of high cards in the undealt cards, there is a higher chance of getting a blackjack, which favors the player because of the 3 to 2 payout. Also, players will most likely draw a high card when the undealt cards are rich in high cards. If there are a lot of small cards left, the dealer is more likely going to draw to a standing hand and beat the players. So, as a general rule, if the undealt cards are rich in large cards, this is a player favorable situation. Likewise, if the undealt cards are rich in small cards, the edge swings to the dealer.
The correlation between the running count and the condition of the undealt cards is as follows. When a card counter has a positive running, this means there is an excess of small cards over large cards played, therefore the reverse has to be true in the undealt cards (i.e., in a positive running count the undealt cards contain more large cards). With a negative running count, the opposite is true; namely, the undealt cards are rich in small cards.
The bottom line is this. When a card counter has a positive running count, the edge is in his favor and therefore he increases the amount of his wager. When the running count is negative, the dealer has the edge and the counter bets the minimum amount. By only making large bets when the counter has the advantage (i.e., when the running count is positive) and small bets when he doesn't have the better of it, the counter gains the upper hand over the casino.
The issue of the legality of card counting is a complicated one. Historically most of the known cases have come from Nevada and Atlantic City. Most other gaming jurisdictions are still grappling with this issue. Since I am not a lawyer, I will say up front much of the response you are about to read was gleaned from the excellent book Blackjack and the Law by I. Nelson Rose and Robert Loeb. I highly recommend it.
"Is blackjack card counting illegal"?
As long as a card counter is only using his brains to decide how to play his hand, then the act of card counting is not illegal.
"How do casinos get away with excluding card counters from playing blackjack"? "Isn't this discrimination"?
The Nevada courts have allowed casinos to exclude card counters because technically they are private property, and under the ancient common law right a property owner could kick off his property anyone for any reason, or even without a reason. Many players and lawyers believe that barring skillful players from playing blackjack is an unconstitutional form of discrimination. However, the Supreme Court prohibits discrimination only against persons who are members of "suspect classifications" based on race, creed, sex, national origin, age, or physical disability (i.e., card counters are not listed in the "suspect classifications"). Therefore, until a law is passed or blackjack players bring a challenge, casinos will continue the practice of barring card counters.
In Atlantic City casinos, the late Ken Uston (blackjack author and professional card counter), won the right in the N.J. courts for card counters to count cards there. Essentially the N.J. Supreme Court told the AC casinos that they could not bar card counters unless the N.J. Casino Control Commission issued a rule saying counters could be barred. So far they have not made this ruling, however, they have allowed the casinos to make the game of blackjack much harder for counters to beat.
"Can the casinos legally 'backroom" a card counter"?
"Backrooming" is a word that has come to denote the practice of detaining or harassing a player who is barred. Usually the casino will ask to see some form of identification and take the player's picture. Under common law and the laws of most states, it is illegal for a business establishment to detain a person, unless the customer has committed a crime and the business is holding the person while awaiting the arrival of police. Therefore, when a casino security agent asks if a player will accompany him to the office, the player has the right to refuse, unless he is being held for a crime. In Nevada, a casino has the right to question and detain any person suspected of cheating. New Jersey, however, made the point that card counting is not a crime and therefore it is not permissible for a casino to detain and question a person suspected of being a card counter. The casino also does not have the right to demand identification because it is ejecting someone for card counting. A player should not have to provide his name upon request of the casino, but it could conceivably be considered obstruction of justice to refuse to provide one's name upon the request of the police. A player also cannot be forced to pose for a photograph.
If the casino is barring you:
Don't admit that you are a card counter.
Don't wait long enough for your picture to taken.
Don't start an argument or make a loud fuss.
Don't go to a bar and have a drink.
Don't show your identification
Don't touch any casino employee.
"Can a casino have a card counter arrested for trespassing if he returns and plays blackjack in a casino in which he was previously barred from playing"?
Most states have trespassing statutes that makes it a misdemeanor for a person to remain on or return to a property after receiving notice from the owner that the person is not allowed on the premises. Most casinos in barring a card counting will tell them "not to return," however it is not usually followed by arrest and prosecution if they do return.
One final tip based on my playing experiences. The best way to avoid getting barred is to play for short periods of time (no more than one hour), increase your bets incrementally by parlaying your wins, and give the appearance that you are just another gambler out for a good time. Your best source for learning how to get away with getting the money is the book Burning the Tables in Las Vegas by Ian Andersen. Its must reading for all "wannabe" card counters.
